my son is 10 years old , 4 th grader had a ppt and got tested.
His test was wisc-111 full scale iq 109
vebral iq 118 performance iq 99
info 12
similarites 14 pic competion 11
math math 12
vocab 15 coding 8
comprehens 12 pic arrangement 15
digit span 7 block design 7
object assembly 8
we ask for full pycho ed evaluation with was to include math reading langauage, writing occupational therapy and emotional testing. they did not have slp or an ot.
we have been told that our son was pulling the wool over our eyes and he is lazy.
The reason we called the ppt was he was reading 2.2 in 3rd grade still reading 2 grade difficulty decoding words, reading, poor spelling
Difficulty with fine motor skills, poooor hand writing (he can’t read his own writing or printing) very poor organizational skills doesnot color well, cannot blow gum bubbles ,difficutly tying shoes. has a hard time using a knife . Has always been very intelligent has always expressed his opinions. loves sports, baseball, soccer, ice hockey very good with gross motor skills.
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It also describes a visual motor deficit. That is my son.
Ot definitely helped. Insist on an OT eval in writing.
You may also want to consider vision therapy and interactive metronome.
My son scored in the 98% in gross motor skills but has huge gaping holes in his motor functioning related to fine motor issues and bilateral issues.
I would ask 'em for evidence.
As far as I know, those kind of reading scores are, simply, not a sign of laziness.
If with those abilities he also had the skills — BUT was choosing not to use them… then you’d want to look at motivation and all that.
But talk about a cop-out! “Oh, we taught it, obviously if he didn’t get it it’s his problem.”
What kind of reading program do they have? (Don’t tell me, let me guess… no, go ahead and tell me.)
And was anything done besides the WISC — say, more language testing or phonemic awareness testing?
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I *think* but am not sure but the 19 pt. discrep. between verbal and perf. is a clue. Exactly what I’m not sure… Maybe look more here under LD In Depth and/or post this on teaching LD?
As for the subtest scores he’s got some nice high scores in good areas. Simlarities is logical and abstract thinking, verbal concept formation which corresponds nicely with your observations.
The weaknesses in Digit Span and Coding offer clues in attention and reading difficulties:
Digit Span - attention, auditory sequential memory
Coding - speed/accuracy of visual motor, association of symbols
My dd had significant difficulties learning to read and is ADHD. Her digit span score is very low. Her coding wasn’t great either but not as low as digit span.
I hate comments like lazy. I would want more testing to determine exactly what breaks down where. If they did other testing, insist on copies of those scores with the tests sourced too. Stick with your gut instinct until you are satisfied. GL
Re: I would ask 'em for evidence.
Oh and I forgot………
Keep asking “why” like a 5 year old discovering the world around them. Firmly, politely, keep asking it.
(Bracing up for IEP meeting #2 this month.)
Re: help ppt coming up school does not want to test
Well, my gifted daughter had stretchy shoelaces (I hate velcro!) until at least Grade 3 or 4 — and now in college uses those new slipons — I think her boyfriend still helps with her skates; was agony to watch with a knife until over age 12; refused point-blank to colour; and couldn’t write legibly until four or five years after she could read fluently, complained she wrote like a sixth grader when she was in AP classes.
As far as expressing opinions — well, last night she told me she had finished her EMT course so now if I tell her anything about my first aid (which I taught her, the rat) she can now overrule me.
I replied that I still know how to stop bleeding by sitting on it, and if that fails, a tourniquet around the neck. (Please don’t take this seriously! emergency ward staff humour)
Anyhow, I actively encouraged her verbal giftedness, taught her to read when she crawled into my lap and asked, surrounded her with books, encouraged her to come out of her shell and stand up for herself, got her into every sport and creative activity we could find including teaching her how to ski downhill before age 4, and then when people got worried about the other stuff, I held my head high and said she’d get it in time. And she did.
No, not ignoring it, but working on things in their own time. Run with the good stuff as far as you can, and then the weak areas won’t be the center of attention. Then DO work on the weak areas, bit by bit.
THANKS VICTORIA...!
You always pick me up with your ‘un-common sense’.! I got your tutoring outlines this am but printer ran out of ink and had no time to read them online. I will read them ASAP and give feedback as soon as I can (probably a week or so) though it will only be ‘amateur wanna-be’ opinion.
Even though I have the on-line version, I will still buy the book (you ARE working towards this, I hope!) when you get it published…posts like the above should be added also, as balm to the soul of gifted/LD misfits who must experience the public school system a second time with their struggling children…SQUARE PEGS UNITE!
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I have 3 kids who are ADD Inattentive and everything you have described about your son could fit one of my boys in particular. His basketball playing is phenomenal as his his motorcycle riding… His handwriting is illegible, However, his artwork is very detailed so he types most of the time. He too has poor organizational skills, has great reasoning with his verbal abilities, but he doesn’t enjoy reading and it was hard for him to learn how to read and spell, and his downfall is his distractibility and staying on task
On your son’s report does it state what his processing speed was? If it is on the low side that is a marker for ADD as well.