LMB at home

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I am considering using the LMB programs with my 2 girls — a 5th grader and a 3rd grader. They both have lost some time because English is not their native language, and not even their native alphabet. They both started school here in the middle of first grade. The older one has already tested LD, is dyslexic, has terrible reading comprehension, and can’t organize her thoughts to save her life. Many of the symptoms LMB says their programs address describe one or the other of my daughters, or both of them, to a “T”.

My questions are:
I can’t afford to send both of them to an LMB clinic. Has anyone been successful in using the LMB materials themselves at home? If so, with which program(s)? For V/V, was it with or without the training videos? They are pretty expensive, are the videos worthwhile?

Thanks in advance for your help.
db

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 10/17/2002 - 7:13 PM

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There are moms who go and get the LIPS training and do it with their children.
You need the training for LIPS. Seeing Stars and Visualizing and Verbalizing are much more possible to do from the manual but they by themselves won’t teach a child to read.

Beth

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 10/18/2002 - 1:29 PM

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Thanks, Beth. Is Reading Reflex a reasonable “substitute” for LIPS, in terms of the reading itself? And then I could follow with Seeing Stars and V/V?

Has anyone out there used the LMB Math program at home? Did it work? Are there others I should consider for home use? I spent an hour last night with my 3rd grader trying to get her to understand “places” so she could write the number for something like “one-hundred-thirty-thousand, four”. She just doesn’t get the whole grouping and places concept. (Her interpretation was “130,4” despite my best efforts). Not the first inkling that she needed extra help, but certainly the most powerful one to date.

Thanks for your help.
db

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 10/18/2002 - 7:04 PM

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Reading Reflex isn’t as multisensory as LIPS. It is faster and cheaper though and I would certainly start there. I wouldn’t turn to LIPS unless you aren’t successful. You can use Seeing Stars with LIPS and you can figure it out just with the manual.

I am not familiar with Cloud 9. I understand it is a math version of Visualizing and Verbalizing.

Beth

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 10/18/2002 - 8:52 PM

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Thanks again, Beth….did you mean that I can use Seeing Stars with V/V and figure it out with just the manual? You wrote Seeing Stars and LIPS.

I’ll give a run at RR and see what happens, and get some remedial help in school for math in the meantime. I can’t do more than one program at a time at home, since we don’t even get home from work/after-school care until 6, and as a single mom, I need to worry about dinner and dogs and homework and all that too.

Thanks again!!
db

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 10/19/2002 - 1:41 AM

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I meant Seeing Stars and V & V—this could be done from the manual. Lips requires training. I’d def. start with PG.

Good luck!!

Beth

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 10/19/2002 - 1:43 AM

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Another possibility is to hire a tutor, one with a strong background in speach therapy and get them the Lips manual and the introductory video. This is the route I have taken and it is working well. This is much less expensive than going to a clinic where the fee you are paying covers the cost of the secretary, furniture, etc. as well as the tutor’s time. Following the manual yourself may work for you if you get some training 1st. By the way, Lips can be taught to the 2 children at the same time if they are at a similar level.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 10/19/2002 - 5:16 AM

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My son went thru On Cloud 9 at a reading clinic and it did wonders. He had tested high on reasoning skills but couldn’t acess them because he couldn’t even hold on to math facts. After OC9, he was able to see it all clearly aqnd he is now excelling in math. I should add that he had been thru V/V before he went thru OC9. Visualization skills are critical to OC9 sucess. In fact it is critical to number sense. No number sense equals years of math frustration.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 10/21/2002 - 1:40 PM

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Thanks Beth, Robin, and Annie…..good info….

Something Annie said raised a question in my mind…..could I do Seeing Stars and V/V with both girls at the same time? This is a theoretical question, as I’d also have to assess the impact of competiveness on the dynamic, but is there anything in the programs themselves that would preclude doing 2 together? It would be a huge timesaver.

I infer from what Robin said that it is better to do V/V prior to doing OC9. And I hear you about number sense. My youngest has none at all, and that extends to counting money and telling time as well. If you ask her what 52 plus 10 is, she’ll count it out on her fingers. Scary.

What is the time commitment recommended for SS, V/V and OC9? 1/2 hour per day 5 days a week? 1 hour? We are better off with more frequent short intervals than less frequent long ones.

And how long does it take to get through them at that rate? Does anyone think it’s possible to get through PG, SS, V/V, and OC9 all in this school year at no more than an hour per day? I ask because I am expecting a third non-English-speaking daughter in the May/June timeframe who will turn 9 next July and will be in 3rd grade next Sept. I think that will consume a good bit of my homework-related attention. (And potentially let me gain more from my investment in the instruction materials :-) ).

Thanks again….you guys are great…
db

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 10/28/2002 - 8:24 PM

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With LMB, the clinics work in 55 minute segments with 5 minute breaks. My child has done it as little at 1 hour per day, 5 days a week during the school year, to 4 hours per day, 5 days per week during the summer and 2 hours, 3 times per week during the school year.
We did 120 hours of lips, 120 hours of V/V and 60 hours of OC9.
Hope this helps.

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