I’m looking to try The Listening Program (TLP) with my 12 year-old daughter. One provider charges $425 for the basic program but I don’t keep the CDs.
Someone on this forum mentioned that they repeat the CDs periodically. My question - Are the CDs ususally included in the price?
Thanks
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In my opinion, this is a rip-off. The usual cost for basic TLP is around $500, and you keep the CD’s.
It is not a difficult program to do without a provider. Mostly the provider explains to you the information that comes in written form with the CD’s, and then makes sure that you have a sufficiently high-quality set of headphones to use with the program. (Using poor quality headphones renders the program useless.) Some children can experience temporary bad side effects from the program (behavioral changes, etc.). A provider can talk you through that phase, and perhaps suggest changes in schedule that will help. Our provider spend a total of about one hour with us, making sure we understood the program and were set up correctly for it. We really didn’t need her, because all the specifications and instructions were included in the CD set.
You can probably find a provider on the internet who will sell you the CD’s and consult with you via email. Last time I looked, this was available for about $450.
You can purchase the program only through a provider. I would either find an internet provider or find a different local provider — one who will let you keep the CD’s. Many children do benefit from repeating the program periodically.
Nancy
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I agree with the consensus of it being a rip-off. In Minnesota it’s possible to get the program for just under $400. There’s not a whole lot of provider interaction, but it really isn’t necessary. In case you are interested, some families I know have had remarkable results. One boy, nearly non-verbal with Downs, became verbal. His speech therapist, teachers and parents are ecstatic. I’m a PACE provider and have been suggesting it to many families prior to beginning PACE. I’ve seen improvements in Auditory Processing with no other intervention, and I really like how it sets the stage for PACE (or probably any other therapy.) I’d recommend getting the CDs. If you get good results, you most likely will want to use them again. Good luck!
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Connie,
We did TLP after PACE, which was a big mistake. He made more progress on the AP exercises in days after doing TLP than in months of drill and hard work. Anyway, I would def. recommend TLP before PACE, and Interactive Metronome as well.
I think PACE was of rather limited value to us because we did it before these therapies. We plataued very early.
Beth
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Beth,
I think I finally get it;
Sensory needs, then cognitive, then academic.
Remediation needs to go in that order.
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It’s sometimes hard to persuade a family to do one more thing. I appreciate your story to share. Beth, I can’t remember. Does your child have ADD? I’m trying to figure out how that diagnosis figures into the auditory process difficulties and therefore the reading and spelling problems. I have had so many experiences where the Auditory Processing procedures are so terribly difficult, and I suspect an Inattentive ADD at the same time. I’d be interested in your perspective.
Thanks.
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Thanks for all the replies. I guess I need to look for another source for the CDs.
I thought what the provider was telling me seemed sort of strange.
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Yeah, I knew that too. We had done a lot of Neuronet before we did PACE and he was so much better. I consulted with the therapist and we both thought he’d benefit from it. We were wrong. The biggest thing PACE did was show up how many weaknesses my son had that we weren’t aware of.
I had already considered IM but then we did NN and I thought it was a replacement. Again, I was wrong. NN has greater breadth (attacking larger range of problems and more integrative—includes speech) but IM has a certain precision to it that is critical to a kid with motor planning problems.
I had also considered sound therapy but the clinical evidence is not there. I was finally persuaded by DEA’s (this board) experience. She did a refresher Tomatis before doing PACE and her daughter, who has at least as severe of AP problems as my son, sailed through the excercises.
Beth
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Connie,
My son was diagnosed with ADD-inattentive by a neurologist after we did PACE. I do think inattention plays into AP problems, although it is very hard to separate all this out. In my son’s case, IM seemingly cured his ADD like symptoms. His Neuronet therapist never bought it was ADD though. In any case, we never went to medication.
I posted on this in response to Laura on parenting a child with ADHD if you are interested in the long version of the story.
I understand parents wanting a quick cure. My experience says if you even accidently skip a step, you are wasting your time and money.
My son still says PACE is the worst thing he ever had to do.
Beth
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Louise,
You can go on their website to find other providers (just look up the Listening Program on Google). Also, if you’re in the Los Angeles area there’s a Samonas Provider in Beverly Hills. I’ve never been to her, but I’ve spoken with her (she does PACE, LMB, etc…) and she’s very nice, knowldgable and helpful.
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Dr. Ron Minson, who was part of the team who developed TLP, is my dd’s Dr. and he is the director of the center we go to for Tomatis. (TLP cost me $320). Anyway, he recommends that you do the program more than once, for maximum benefit - so you want the CDs. We have done it 4-5 times (lost count) as well as Tomatis boosters.
We have done alot of various programs, but I’m convinced that Tomatis was what saved my dd’s life. Dr. Minson has a very interesting personal story about his teenage CAPD dd who was on verge of suicide - it saved her life too and that’s why he devoted his life to this center. I don’t care if there is not research supporting it - I just know what happened for us and how it broke down her wall.
Tomatis worked better for us vs. TLP.
I don’t know a lot about this program. In fact, didn’t this used to be one you could order and do at home? $425 without keeping the CD’s seems awfully expensive. Have you checked with other providers, or looked into Tomatis or other similar programs?