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I had gotten the on cloud nine book and my child’s tutor is using it, but she does not seem to be using it according to the book. I read the book before giving it to her and I know they started out really basic and gave a couple examples and then you needed to keep on going. As it wasn’t explicit in every step. I think the tutor skipped some stuff as being too easy- the other problem is my child thinks she can’t visualize. She does have a good visual memory and I am not sure how to get her to realize that is visualizing.The school said they had completed the visualizing and verbalizing up to the sentence level.( but then again they told me that they helped students correct math worksheets- 2 whole workbooks not corrected and a lot of errors either not marked or corrected)-We are finishing up Saxon 3 and was hoping to use OCN during the summer,but it is not looking good because of situations above. I am not sure what I should do next. Middle school is suppose to be using Saxon. My tutor is wanting to move onto Saxon 4. My child is still having problems with multiplication facts recall and therefore division is hard. I was hoping the OCN would help,but now I am wondering what to do.

Submitted by victoria on Sat, 07/23/2005 - 5:05 PM

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Get a new tutor, and I am not joking.

This is the classic error of the poorly-trained or inexperienced teacher, to assume that stuff is easy and skip it. Then the child has all these gaping holes in the foundation and the teacher gets mad because “of course you know that, we did that”.

I always remind people: ANYTHING is easy — once you already know how! I happen to think downhill skiing is easy, but of course I’ve been doing it for forty-two years; my students don’t think it’s easy. I happen to think that calculus is easy, but I’ve been doing that for thirty-eight years; my students don’t think that’s easy either. Or baking cheesecakes or finding your way around Montreal in two languages or abstract algebra or …

This fgoundation material is demonstrably NOT easy for the child (she failed it after all) and the teacher/tutor is missing the major part of her job. If the teacher/tutor is young and untrained she can learn, but you can’t pay to have your child be the guinea pig. You can try telling her that you are paying to have the program taught as written, no skipping, and see if she listens. If she is older and set in her ways, quit now.

Submitted by Sue on Mon, 07/25/2005 - 9:10 PM

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I”d have to agree… perhaps the tutor will comprehend that many students just don’t learn things from being exposed to them, and just don’t fill in the gaps by themselves. I would let the tutor know that I was *very* concerned and hoped that, now that we know what’s going on, things will change; in the meantime, I’d be inquiring about other folks who will follow more strictly.
I sympathize with the tutor - that was a lesson that it took me a while to learn. However, ‘way back when I was young, when I gave that first quiz on stuff we “had done,” and nobody knew that stuff, I figured out I was going to have to give them more chances to learn and review and practice it. (Other teachers in similar spots just find ways of making the tests or whatever they do to see if the kiddo knows the stuff easier. Watch out for that.) I disCovered that most materials *didn’t* have anything like enough review. This teacher is probably used to those kinds of materials and thinks that’s the Way Things WOrk… not for your child (and a whole lot of others). OCN probably does… *if* you do it all.

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