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I need help and sorry this post is so long!!

I have five year old son who attends kindergarten at private school. He was recently evaluated by the local school district after his teacher noticed he was forgetting letters, letter sounds, and was not recognizing letters in his own name.

He was given the CELF, WPPSI, Peobody picture vocabulary test-III, the expressive vocab test, Wepman Test of Auditory discriminations, the test of auditory skills, and SCAN-C test for Auditory processing disorders in children-Revised. He was also given selected subtest from the Phonological awareness tests. The Bendard Gestalt was also given.

His RECEPTIVE LANGUAGE score was 9 and EXPRESSIVE was 88, his TOTAL LANGUAGE score was 88. The peobody was 101, 53%tile, and 5th stanine. Expressive Vocab was 94, 34%tile and 4th stanine. The SCAN-C scores ranged from 8-13, it also says that the right and left ear scores vary, I think it was 10 on left and 3 on right. Whichever side of the brain is the more creative side had the lower score. WEPMAN says average score 0 and standard deviation -1SD. The TEST OF AUDITORY ANALYSIS SKILS sayS score 1 grade beginning kindergarten. The TEST OF PHONOLOGICAL AWARENESS, selected subtests, rhyming 209,segmentation 110, isolation 99. The ALPHA test says no errors were noted.

I haven’t received the WPSSI scores yet. I can tell you the full scale score was 96, verbal was 90 and perfomance was 105.in the performance subtest the examiner noted significant weakness in geometric design. On the performance test a significant weakness was noted on information and similarities. On the Bendar Gestalt his raw score was twelve and his grade equivalent was 5.2 to 5.3 yrs. He is currently 5.9 yrs.

My question is what do I do know?? I am going to have him screened with an audiologist for CAPD. After that I am lost. There are not recommendations for what I should do. The summary on the reports list things that his teacher is already doing. I am going to purchase earobics and picture me reading. I don’t want him to fall any further behind. From a reliable source who reviewed his speech and language I was told he more than likely has CAPD since there was such a huge discrepency between the left and right side of the brain.

I want to know all my options and I feeled stumped. I have read the articles on understanding test results but I still feel lost!!

Thanks

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 4:16 AM

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it says 9? The Peobody is a receptive vocab test and that shows scores in the average range and a receptive score of 9 on the CELF doesn’t make sense to me…

I would strongly recommend that you IMMERSE your son in lots of songs with rhymes to increase his phonemic awareness. Read lots of books with rhymes and repetition until he gets them into his auditory memory… I am becoming an SLP and my specialty is auditory processing and dyslexia. You will have to read and sing the rhymes a little bit slower until he can get them into his auditory memory but trust me this works. Don’t just stick him on the computer…doing Earobics. If his receptive scores are that low he has to be talking and using his language skills to expand them..with his family and his peers.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 5:08 AM

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You are to be commended by having these issues addressed so early in your childs life. I think that early intervention can do wonders on many levels. You are wise to get the full CAPD evaluation from a qualified audiologist. Make sure to request educational recommendations. There are therapies that are very beneficial. With children with serious CAPD isues, earobics may not be the best choice because it can be so difficult, especially with a young child. Make sure to investigate FastForWord, the therapeutic program that can make a significant change for the better in your child’s difficulties. I know it did in mine.

Although we want to have these problems “fixed” yesterday, your taking the time to understand your child’s issues will better enable you to make the important choices determining his ultimate success. Make sure that at every stage, the course you plot has a destination.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 11:29 AM

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Gina’s post under Please help me understand these scores? She has some SL results that confused me- but I AM becoming progressively easy to confuse…
Robin

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 4:16 PM

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His receptive language score was 90.

Also, I have no intention of sticking him on the computer for just earobics. I didn’t beleive that my post gave off that impression.

I am looking for suggestions on other things I can do. We already read constantly. Every night we use games from Peggy Kaye’s books, games for reading, math, and learning. He has alphabet games, rhyming games, anything I can find that he enjoys and helps him. I mentioned earobics because it was suggested by the speech and lang therapist.

K.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 8:27 PM

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As a speech professional with a hearing impairment….and parent of a child with a hearing impairment and auditory processing issues…I just wanted to make sure that you were aware that the computer programs alone..aren’t going to “fix” the issues.

When you are reading constantly does he participate in dialogue with socratic questioning (ala Visualizing and Verbalizing)…….after each sentence or paragraph to make sure he understands and comprehends what is being read? That he is picking up the inference, humor, idioms, etc….?? I have seen many well meaning educators miss this important part of processing auditory information through conversation to achieve comprehension…It sounds like you know what you are doing…

I will rest my case and I hope you will forgive me if I offended you.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 8:39 PM

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Your child scored in the average range(standard scores 90-110 are average, 25-75th percentiles are average) in most tests; what type of K is it? I doubt whether these scores would classify this child as SLD in the public school for services. What will the first grade be like? Is it very high pressured academically? Does your child stand out as different from the other kindergarden students? This is an age with a wide variation for academic skills, and testing at this age is not definitive. Try lots of home activities, and ask the teachers for suggestions as well.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 03/30/2002 - 11:27 PM

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He is in private full day kindergarten. I have not seen the subtest scores for the IQ test yet but she mentions that a few are significantly low.

His current kindergarten teacher is noticing that he is becoming increasingly frustrated because he is not able to keep up with the classmates. For example, he is realizing that he can copy from someone esle’s paper. Fortunately, it is such a small class, 13 students, that she noticed right away and has been working really hard to help him.

I am not sure what first grade will be like. I got a chance to sit in on next years class and there is one boy who is learning disabled in that class now. He seemed to be doing fine and was keeping up with the class. I noticed that when he needed help most of the other students helped him out as well as the teacher. I do know that most of the first graders are reading and where my son is having difficulty already with letters and letter sounds I want him to feel prepared and not have that frustration going into first grade.

I am trying to read everything I can. I am reading a book now called Learning Disabilites A to Z and so far it is very interesting. I also requested from the library a book called “When the brain can’t hear” it is a book on auditory disorders.

I am also looking into various homeschooling programs that I can use during the summer. I don’t want him to regress before first grade. I know his school has a summer program but we can’t afford it right now.

Thanks.
K.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 03/31/2002 - 11:34 AM

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Sounds like a very academic K class, if the students are sitting and completing papers and your child is feeling pressured to complete them by copying. What about free play, social skills, language activities…does he enjoy and keep up in these areas? Does he like singing, music rhymes, etc.? There are very few first grades where a student would already be identified as LD…the range of reading abilities in first grade is fairly broad in public school. Testing at this age is not definitive, don’t despair over these results, they’re largely average!

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 03/31/2002 - 3:49 PM

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The reason I chose the school in the beginning was that it wasn’t all academics.
They focus on art, music, and expression. They start their day with free play then at 8:20 they have morning meeting. Here they entire school gathers to say the pledge of allegiance, sing a patriotic song, then they usually sing two other songs. One was written for the school and for the place we live, the second is usually a fun song.

They return to class have circle time and go over the calendar, weather, share time. Then they may have language arts, some days spanish, some days computer time. Then they have snack, then if weather permits they go outside. They usually come in and have math. The eat lunch, have social studies or science, some afternoon is music or art. Then more play time or recess.

It is academic but in all other areas he is maintaining with the class. However, the teacher said that the subjects will get harder and she doesn’t want him to fall behind.

I also understand he is young and but Ialso now that early detection is key to helping LD children. He has a very extensive history of LD in his family, both his dad and my brother were receiving service at 5 yrs old. My husband never got the proper services and my brother at 14 yrs old is still playing catch up. One of the evaluators on his team was pretty clear that follow up testing with an audiologist needs to be done. Also the more I read watch and learn about auditory disorders the more I see my son and realize it is best to get on his strengths now instead of waiting until second or third grade!!

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 04/01/2002 - 7:06 PM

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I totally agree with you!!! My son was much like yours in K. I think I was still in denial about the extent of his difficulties though. He was already classified as LD-speech impaired. I didn’t actively help him until near the end of first grade. I
think after K is much better.

Have him evaluated for CAPD—again we did it after first grade. K would have been better—we could have started getting him the right help.

We didn’t have the family history which made it easier to stay in denial—a mistake though!!!

Beth

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