Fast Forward

I have not had much luck for students who are in the very low percents. You might try what we call a 30s chart. Take a piece of graph paper and number up one side from 1 to 30. Put an x in each box for each one right. When she makes an error start a new column. The point is to see how many she can get right in a row. Having at least 30 right in a row seems to make that graph move up.— Slow down. Have her tell you what she hears. You push the keys for a bit (is motor interferring?). I have some students who can’t do CS at all. There are others who do seem to hear the sounds, but only at the slower speeds. What does she tell you about what she hears? Sometimes when the child explains, you understand whether it is a doable task. Recently, one of my very low students on CS did The Listening Program and then I put him back on CS, just to see if there was an improvement. Unfortunately, there was just a tiny bit of progress and then the graph went back down. I still plan to try this approach again, perhaps after a recommended second round with The Listening Program. I have not heard of ways to improve the processing that is making the child unable to do Circus Sequence (Trog Walkers in FFW 2) Good luck!

She gets confused when it is up/ down or down/up.
She never has any problem with up/up or down/down.

She also goes very fast and I think you are right, she needs to slow down.
She seems to only remember the last tone that she heard.
I will try having her verbalize what she heard and then respond.
Thanks for the advice.

With some of my young students like your daughter we tried putting a picture/drawing of a little bird (high sound) by the up arrow and a little frog (low sound)by the down arrow. Pretend you are outside sitting in a chair and listening to the animal sounds. Which did you hear first? The bird? The frog? I try anything to keep them going and not too frustrated.

We did Fast Forward with me as the provider too. Circus Sequence was not our only difficult one but certainly was one of them. I have heard of The Listening Program making FFW easier. We did it (several) afterwards and it did make auditory processing tasks easier.

I had my son lay on the floor and tell me the order of the sounds. I think the position helped get him relaxed and the lack of motor helped too. We were at 7% through about the 7th or 8th week and then he started getting it. We got in the 90% but it took another 3 or 4 weeks.

If you don’t see progress after a couple more weeks, I would try doing TLP and see if that helps. The audiologist my son works with told me that Circus Sequence is the most important exercise to master in the program so I think it is worth the extra effort. If nothing else, my son’s auditory processing improved with TLP.

Beth

Oh, we also did some sequences on the piano which seemed to help too.

Beth

Is this sequencing? We never did Fast Forward but my son had a huge sequencing problem. He would say yesterday when he meant tomorrow. He couldn’t figure out if he needed to go up or down when finding a page in the book. He couldn’t get days of the week and months of the year and had great difficulty counting to 100 using a numbers chart in second grade.

Interactive metronome pretty much got rid of that issue. He can now sequence. It was an amazing gain. I had to catch him up on math facts but it wasn’t that difficult once he could sequence. He is close to being caught up with regular third grade math.

I don’t know if this is the issue because we never did FFW. I just thought I would throw it in there.

I don’t know. FFW didn’t help my son learn his math facts, that is for sure. Maybe there are different kinds of sequencing???? This exercise requires you to perceive the sounds correctly and remember the order they are in. Seems more like auditory perception and memory, although you are right that this is a type of sequencing.

After FFW, my son could understand conversations around him.

Beth

Beth,

When you say you were the provider, do you mean you did the training and you were certified as a provider? Or someone else was the provider but you did the exercises at home? I was wondering how time consuming the CrossTrain training is.

Janis

Janis,

I think I answered this on the other board but just in case—I was the provider. Cross Train is easy to do. It is basically a manual that you have to read, followed by an on line test. The difference between being the provider and doing it at home is that you upload the information to FFW who send you the reports. It wasn’t very difficult really once I got the hang of it (and I am not any computer whiz).

Beth

Thanks for all the suggestions!
I think she was going too fast. I did the mouse and slowed the tempo
down and she did much better. She was going really fast and just
clicking away wildly. Also, with me doing the mouse she did not
have to think about that and could just listen to the sounds

I am glad the suggestions helped. I took over the mouse whenever anything became frustrating. For several exercises that is the only way he got through it.

Beth