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Puzzling Reading comp. score

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My son ((gr. 4, age 10.1,APD +visual processing disorder) has done FastForWord following which reading “took off”–He voluntarily reads daily from information books plus novels—has read 16 or so in the past 5 months, including The Indian in the Cupboard series, Artemis Fowle, Kenneth Oppel’s Silverwing, among others. In Oct. he was three grades above grade level on the Slosson. On an informal cloze test, (AutoSkills pgm.) he scores at gr. 9 in comprehension.

Oral reading error rate varies—sometimes perfect on material at and above grade level—sometimes in the 95% range with those small errors dyslexics sometimes make. (This is an informal assessment.)

He passed a boating course test designed for 10 to 12 year olds.

Today, as a favour, his assessment counsellor retested him to get data (for her interest plus to prepare for upcoming annual placement reviews).Oddly he scored at gr. 4.2 on the W-Johnson Reading Comp.—7 months below grade level, yet some of the material listed above is well above. She did not get to the decoding and word identification tests or the Burns-Roe because he was very slow getting through the WISC and other items (Testing reveals a whopping 28 pt. discrepancy between processing speed and visual-perceptual scores.)

He has a bad cold—was home sick yesterday, and reported to me after that he did not feel well during the testing. The assessor says she feels it shouldn’t affect scores—the high scores being about as high as last time etc.

She is going to finish off testing in June with the W-Johnson Cognitive. (WISC showed high average verbal and low average nonverbal last and this time, but with superior verbal scores on the W-J where timing is not an element last time.)

What do you make of the discrepancy between chosen reading material and comp. score? Would he read those books if he couldn’t understand ‘em?

I am feeling guilt because he has had a mish mash of reading programs—six months of Barton (Orton-Gillingham), (preceded by the early chapters of LiPs) —all suspended for FFWD, the usual stuff at school (Merrill, Glass Analysis plus the Modern Curriculum Phonic pgm.). Yet I am certified PG. I haven’t done it with him because I suspended thinking about reading instruction for FFWD … then he didn’t seem to need it. (Interactive Metronome comes next.) Maybe I’ve deluded myself that the phonological stuff was cleared up, given the reading explosion. Our audiologist recommended giving him a break–then seeing if he needs PACE/Brainskills.

I’m feeling depressed and overwhelmed at the moment because, while I was not naive enough to believe in the “magic bullet” I really thought I could stop worrying about reading and focus on math. (Computation is a struggle—math reasoning at grade level, but he needs those strategies, very little being automatic.)

I am really stymied by the comp. result. Clearly motivation could be a factor.
Though, in a former life, I administered the W-J academic tests, I forget the format—little fairly boring paragraphs I think. Maybe I need to do the PG testing. (Last year, he was perfect at segmenting & blending, low average for phoneme manipulation, and pretty good on code—but I could be wrong about the code score.)

Any comments? Thanks in advance. (Sorry this is so long—I ramble when I’m feeling upset!)

Jan

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 05/07/2003 - 5:22 AM

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Go with your gut feeling. If a child is feeling unwell they will put a greater effort on what is easy for them and less effort on what is hard. I would take the results with a grain of salt.

When my son was beginning 10th grade he was re-evaluated for Special Ed. He was very angry about the testing. He scored lower then % wise then the previous testing. The Psych. report stated that my son did not want to be tested but that they worked through the problems and the results were an accurate reflection of his abilities. ( This is a standard statement in Psych. reports). In hindsight I now know they were not an accurate reflection. When he got motivated about going to college he produced scores on the college addmission testing that were much higher % wise and I do not thing these higher results were due to special school service.

Helen

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 05/07/2003 - 7:58 PM

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You’ve got lots of info pointing towards real gains, and a cold can make a difference.
I will say that often it takes longer for gains in skills and confidence to filter down to the weird passages they pick for standardized tests (which they sort of have to write about the most boring topicsin the world, because if they’re a topic a group of students would be interested in, that group would have an enormous advantage. I had a kiddo have huge differences on the A & B versions of the Gray Oral Reading Test because one passage was about Martin Luther King, Jr. and he knew about him).
I bet, also, that the short-trivial-passage nature hits him where it hurts… that he does better with more difficult reading. It’s the kids with the verbal strengths who can often benefit a lot from “mish-mash” interventions because they will intuitively make verbal connections. I suspect he’s okay in this department. You also could have a teacher who’s looking out for him and realizes that if he scores too well, he won’t get help.

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 05/07/2003 - 8:09 PM

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I do not care much for the W-J passage comprehension subtest, esp. if it is the W-J III. The test is in cloze format, however there are certain items almost all my students always miss, regardless of grade level or reading proficiency. Thus, I find many students receive what I believe to be depressed scores.

The Burns and Roe is a fairly challenging reading inventory. Your son will read passages and be asked to answer, orally, 10 comprehension questions that include factual recall, evaluation, inference and vocabulary. I like this measure and think you will get good information from this test.

I always administer at least two passages per grade level. While this is not a standardized test (you will not get a percentile score or a standard score), you will get an instructional level score and an independent level score. Generally instructional level is the level where the student can correctly answer 70% with around 95% oral reading accuracy (I generally accept as low as about 93%). Independent level would be virtually perfect, 90-100% comprehension and 98-100% accuracy. Frustration level is generally around 50% or less comprehension and 90% or less accuracy. 60% comprehension may be considered appropriate for instructional purposes, it can be a judgement call.

So, see how he does on this. And, I would want him feeling well to do his best on a test.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/08/2003 - 2:21 AM

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Thanks, Anitya
You are obviously very experienced with testing. Are you a psychometrist/assessment counsellor? I would like to pass on your opinion of the W-III - I think it may be III that was done (Is there a IV? —I now it was the most recent.)

The purpose of the testing was to see what impact remediating APD (with FFWD) had on WISC testing and to see if the reading gains I reported were actual. However much our tester disagrees that a cold or an “bad day” scenario can interfere, I would agree with you and Sue that a cold presents a special problem—especially for CAPD kids, I feel. For example, when we did FFWD, my son’s scores suddenly plummeted on his worst task (but one where he was nonetheless scoring around 70%—he dropped to 50%). When I checked with our audiologist she said this was common with a cold. Consequently, retesting when my son has a cold would cancel out any evidence of the benefits of FFWD if any. (My impulse was to cancel the testing, but since the assessor is a friend and colleague who was giving me a freebie, I didn’t like to.)

I tried an analogy on my son tonight: feather is to lightweight as lead is to _______. He heard “leather” for “feather”. No wonder he scored higher on the W-J Cognitive, where he benefited from the added structure (and, apart from APD issues, the absence of the timing element).

As you say, it will be interesting to see his Burns and Roe results.

Another factor is that earlier WRAML testing showed increased comprehension of story material following a time delay. This testing process is not so straightforward!

Thanks for your help.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/08/2003 - 2:04 PM

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It is possible that he is prone to fluid build up in his ears that does not result in an actual ear infection every time.

You could try an antihistamine to dry him up when he gets a cold. Ask your doctor.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 05/08/2003 - 2:21 PM

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My son has CAPD and he had negative ear pressure which dramatically influenced his performance every time he had the slightest cold. We have fought a long battle with it—and finally won. We used Alcon Unisol 4 saline solution that is actually for contacts (no preservatives) as nose drops several times a day for months. According to the audiologist, that usually does it. It didn’t for him though and he used chinese herbal medicine for 6 months. It was a dreadful concoction that the audiologist had used with her own Down’s Syndrome child (DS have smaller than typical ear canels and are prone to infections).

So, anyway, I think it is very likely that a cold disproportionately influenced his performance. My son could always still do the things that were easy for him but if it was hard or he was still learning ….forget it. I would just make sure he takes another test too. If they are very different, you have an important piece of information.

Beth

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