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Anyone else tired of educating the educators?

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I was wondering if anyone else, especially parent’s of ADD/ADHD children has/have experienced that their IEP , or parts of it, have been repeatedly ignored, especially when moving to a new grade and teacher? We have a teacher who was previously a Special Ed., but it seems that she is woefully unfamiliar with the characteristics of ADD, and the services the school district has, and/or should have, committed to providing our child in the IEP that are to help minimize the effects of the ADD on the child’s educational experience.

Over the last six months, we have tried to make the teacher aware and share our child’s difficulties and some of the multitudes of information we have learned about ADHD, but it seems now, she is looking for us to perform some kind of magic trick, or find some magic pill to make our child’s inattentiveness go away. My husband and I were already frustrated by her repeated daily notes about inattentiveness in the agenda when our child shared with us that the teacher and classroom now all think she(our child) is “Bad”. Our daughter told us through tears that last year everyone thought she was good, but this year she has changed and everyone thinks she is bad. The only thing that we can see that has changed is that our daughter’s grades and self esteem where improving, therefore she was feeling more confident about speaking to the other children, as she has previously been very withdrawn. Now apparently, on some occasions, she was speaking at inappropriate moments impulsively, and making some comments that she thought might be funny and that would help the others like her. Unfortunately, the teacher has wrote her name on the board and embarrassed her in front of the class on several different occasions and enough that the class now seems to “gang up” on our child when there is a question of her guilt or innocence. For example, at their 100th day celebration, the kids were all talking about what they would be like in 100 years. Our daughter said that she was speaking to another child and did not say what the child thought she did. The child thought she said something about her grandmother being fat, so she began crying, and the other children in the group agreed with her description of what was said. Our daughter is adamant that she did not say the insulting remark, that she tried to explain to the teacher that she was misunderstood, but the teacher punished her anyway, which sent the unspoken message to our child and the class, you are a liar, you are bad. Apparently there was also an incident where another child reported to the teacher that our daughter was sleeping. She said she had her head down, but was listening. The teacher asked the class was she sleeping, and they all said yes, so again, our daughter was punished and made to feel like the bad child. Our daughter also said that there are just two of us trouble makers in the class, when I ask her why did she say that, she said because her teacher told them, “Out of all these students in our classroom, you two are the troublemakers!”
Well I have to say, no wonder our daughter doesn’t enjoy going to school, no wonder she has begun acting out. When you are told you are bad over and over, it is a self fulfilling prophecy in my opinion. Our daughter said she just wants everyone to like her, but no one does, no one will play with her, she has to walk around by herself at recess. At the beginning of the year, we explained to this teacher how much our child wanted and needed to fit in with her peers, but it seems now, their opinions of her have been lead by the teachers behavior toward her. If I am wrong here, someone please explain this to me?

On this same week our daughter finally opened up and shared this with us, we were also told by our five year old son that two days in a row, he and the other boys in his K5 class were rough housing, playing, on the playground at recess, and several of them got very rough with him, shoving him, pushing him down in the sand, and as he says “Pounding Him”. He said he asked them to stop but they wouldn’t. This is why my son had been begging me not to make him go to school. When we asked did the teacher(s) see any of this, he said, no, the boys do it when the teachers aren’t looking. We know boys will be boys, BUT, this isn’t the first time we have had violence in this same 5K class. During the fall, a child bit our son’s ear in the classroom. My husband feels that no matter the reason, when there is a perpetrator of violence, the individual should be removed, at least temporarily, and made to understand that violence won’t be tolerated for any reason. From what we were told, that child had witnessed something bad at his mother’s home the night before, the school was trying to contact his father, and had spoken with the child at length. This wasn’t acceptable to my husband and apparently, the class doesn’t understand that it isn’t okay to take action upon one another. Last year in 4K, some child came into class explaining a movie he saw the night before and gave several of the children a make shift explanation of “RAPE”. Not the education we were hoping for, needless to say.

Now maybe some of you might understand why my husband and I are seriously, seriously, considering pulling them out of public school and homeschooling them. We have made calls to the School District, informed the higher ups, but when it comes down to it, aren’t we fighting a hopeless battle?My husband said, what if we spend hours talking at this IEP meeting we’ve requested to discuss why the previous IEP isn’t being followed for our daughter, we invest hours of time and energy trying to change this teachers opinions and attitudes toward our child, just to end up with a different teacher, potentially more difficult, to start all over with next year? Can we really trust that our child will get fair impartial treatment now? And it is always in the back of my mind, what I have read somewhere in my hours of research, that even if we get the school to have that In service ADHD workshop for the teachers, there will be many who will roll their eyes and think, “Who are these people, coming in here telling me about children? Why, I work with them every day, I know more than they possibly can, I know what’s really wrong with these kids, their parents just are strict enough, ADHD hogwash.” Our principal announced at a PTA meeting that they at ____ elementary, love John Rosemond, the author, and while he does have good sound advice in many issues of parenting children, her comment concerned me because John Rosemond is also a firm and outspoken believer that ADHD does NOT exist. Maybe I am thinking out loud and searching for answers, but it does feel like a never ending battle, trying to educate the educator’s, especially when many don’t feel they need educating, and even if we manage to keep these kids in public school, will they be better off? I know I was often tormented by my fellow students and misunderstood by teachers, if given the opportunity to homeschool, I would have done so gladly. My husband has thoughts of grandure, that he could agrue his point and get the school district to “Get out their checkbook” and pay to put our kids in private school, but even HE knows he was fooling himself. We would be old and gray and penniless too before we would possible see that happen. I could really use some opinions and advice from my trusted friends here on this site. Thanks in advance for anything

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 01/31/2003 - 4:35 PM

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I taught Montessori preschool and kindy for years and have also spent a little time in other programs with that age group.

I am very much in agreement with your husband that violence needs to be a zero tolerance issue. I have 3 boys and the older 2 both were victims of bullies between 6-8 grade and it was ignored as the bullies were popular kids in the sports arena.

So, on a personal level, I am 100% on board with you.

As a teacher, however, I have to tell you that if he is roughhousing, in however playful and controlled a manner, it makes it 20 times harder for a teacher to intervene. I can’t count the number of kids who will whoop it up chasing and wrestling and then come complaining to the teacher that they were hurt(perhaps even inadvertently). I have punished the offending child and tried not punishing the offending child-either way the complaining, hurt child is back in the fray, wrestling and chasing within 5 minutes-and often complaining again in 7!! Even teachers who do what they can to curb violence get fed up with that scenario.

Yes, the offending child should be dealt with, but your son also needs to take responsibility for his part and find another way to play outdoors. If he is climbing the monkey bars and this child approaches him and hurts him, its far more clear cut an issue! (I am not trying to say he has to be seriously hurt but that he needs to be less a part of the ‘gang’)

Your daughter’s story is so sad. I despise it when teachers use class mates to discipline and tattle. Your daughter should not have her head down in class, but it is the teacher’s responsibility to deal with it, not the childrens-that hurts all young parties involved. I had a friend whose son was a natural tattletale-some teachers encouraged it, asking him who was talking, who started fights, and punishing those he chose. He ended up quite the outcast and it took moving to another school for him to lose the reputation

I would tell the teacher you are willing to address your child’s behavior issues(for the moment go along with the idea they exist)but want it to between she, you and your child. Insist the class be left out of it 100% and explain to her how it is affecting your daughters social life. If she doesnt mend her ways, I would go to the administration.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 02/02/2003 - 4:26 AM

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The problem you are facing is this: the teacher does not nor cannot learn about ADHD or LD if they are not it. There have been several posts on these boards suggesting act up ! The other thing is a LD watchgroup to watch the teachers or other students. You know: collect intelligence on the teacher’s misdeeds and then report it to a civil rights group. Unless, civil rights in this country does not in clude LD people like it was a black or hispanic person. We cannot stand silent while stuff like you have descibed goes on. Never Again ! Perhaps, you should write a memo to the school or get an attorney to do so suggesting if this harrassment does not stop: you will take action legally or go to the news media and let them know what hypocrites run this school.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 02/02/2003 - 8:50 PM

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I totally agree that LD needs to be included as a minority issue along with civil rights issues such as affects, race, and national origin. Until we move from merely being termed a disability issue or a “school” issue to a violation of civil rights issue there will never be a change.

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 02/02/2003 - 8:50 PM

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I totally agree that LD needs to be included as a minority issue along with civil rights issues such as affects, race, and national origin. Until we move from merely being termed a disability issue or a “school” issue to a violation of civil rights issue there will never be a change.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 02/03/2003 - 3:41 PM

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I had two really horrible years with teachers before my dd’s issues were diagnosed and addressed.

I learned a really big lesson from it - Many teachers (and this can apply to special ed directors and resource room teachers too) don’t understand ADHD or how ADHD and learning difference can interact. The big lesson for me was is in the hands of the right teacher (sp ed director or RR teacher) it doesn’t matter. As tiring as it can be for us parents, as long as we understand it fairly well and can advocate for them, they’ll be OK. The teacher qualities needed are passion for teaching, patience, flexibility and creativity to come up with innovative suggestions to solve even the most minor challenge for any of their kids - ADHD or not, willing to learn new things (not stuck in their own ways only) and repsect for their kids as human beings. Oh and throw in high structure and organization for the ADHD.

The ADHD and LD world is so complicated (and this I learned from a special ed director who has ADHD herself and specializes in dyslexia), there are no guarantees for success and there is no one method that fits all. Many resource room teachers or sp ed directors “grow up” in the biz with a specialty or love for one particular thing (one of mine was autism - she was an expert!) with maybe a general knowledge or better than general knowledge of the rest. There are often no easy answers.

But your dd’s teacher sounds, well….unacceptable to me.

GL
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Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 02/04/2003 - 4:02 PM

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Thanks for responding everyone. I appreciate all of your insights on this subject. I agree we need serious change, ie The School’s Attune Program from All Kinds of Minds. com, but I also know, it isn’t going to happen fast enough to benefit my child. Last I checked with our State Dept. of Education, they were having someon from All Kinds of Minds in to speak to them this summer. They use Dr. Levine’s busy schedule as an excuse for not persuing the information more vigorously. They tought, “No child left behind”, yet every day they ignore the needs of these kids, they are leaving them behind.

While I do care very much about all the special needs children and unfortunately most of their parents do not have the blessing of being able to choose or not choose homeschooling. I still plan to be active in voicing my opinions about the needed changes. However, as we are blessed with a choice, the option, to provide our child an education in a safe, flexible, non judgemental environment, to grow, to learn, at her own individual pace without unnecessary pressures, so that is what we choose.

I very much appreciate hearing from everyone. It is when we all talk, thoughts are processed, and action can occur. Thanks for responding.
Deb

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