Nervous Mom I hope this helps.

Mr. Dedicke,

The DSM IV (which is the governing “bible” for American Psychiatrists and which supersedes the DSM III) removed the warning to which you refer.

Andrea

That doesn’t surprise me.

I myself have more faith in an independant body that does not seek monetary gain.

The DSM is controversial at best and I am also suspect of the DSM criteria for certain so called disorders but this is not a forum for disscussing them.

I think the question I am adressing is addiction and withdrawal. To maintain that Methyphenidate does not have a potential for addiction is to deny the facts. Any substance that can make the profound changes in the brain that Methyphenidate does will likely have withdrawal and an addiction potential. The notion that addiction will not occur based on dosing levels has not been established. In most addictions duration more than dosing plays the most significant role.

I don’t care what the DSM says because it is wrong. The PDR does not agree with the DSM on this. In my opinion a Ouji board is a more reliable diagnostic tool than the DSM. The DSM is used primarily for billing and coding disorders. Psychiatrists rely on other sources for making medical judgements.

Mr. Dedicke (nice pun on the user name, by the way)

I’m somwhat confused by your posts.

First you quote the DSM as “the” standard, the bible in your words. Then you say you have no confidence in DSM anyway when someone points out that you were quoting an old edition and that the part you had quoted had been removed in later additions.

Why did you quote it in the first place if you had no faith in it?

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Why is this becoming a debate? I am merely sdtating facts. Dedicke is my last name. It is pronounced ded eh key. If you do a search you will find me listed in the phone book. Give me a call if you would like.

The DSM is actually called the Diagnostics and Statictical Manual. It is constantly upgraded and hence the DSM-IV-R.

bgb, am I sensing hostility? I hope not. I was only responding to someone who seem to be in a great deal of distress. If discussing ADHD and it’s treatment is prohibited here I think the moderator would let me know. At least that is how it is done on other forums.

If you are interested in debating the pros and cons of stimulant therapy and if it is allowed here I think it would be prudent for us to do it on another thread. However, that is not my intention for posting to Nervous Mom. My intention was to support her in her time of need and to try and point her in the right direction in getting help for her child.

I do not recall refering to the the DSM as any sort of Bible. Would you please point out where I have so that I can explain myself.

Peace

And no, I’m not interested in debating this topic as I know next to nothing about it, not having had to deal with it myself.

Maybe I’m misreading the second line of your first post but it definately seemed to call the DMS “the ‘bible’ of the psychiatric profession”. Yup, just checked. It still does.

I only skim these threads. I didn’t see where Nervous Mom was asking for this info so if I missed that, I do appoligize!

Is there a national phone book? That would be handy. How do I access it?

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It’s round like a Ball, rolls on and on like a Ball, it’s a Ball.

I don’t believe Nervous Mom was specifically asking for information on Concerta. I think it was more of a general cry for help so I though it appropriate to post general information that is not always given.

I did not want to see NM withdraw Concerta from her child without a doctor’s say so. I felt compelled to warn her after reading a post that said withdrawing the Concerta would be safe. I believe that sort of advice should only be given by a doctor.

The fact that Methyphenidate is addictive is indisputable. I think to suggest otherwise is a bit reckless. Would you not agree?

Ed is certainly right. Anyone here with questions should ask them of a credentialed medical professional specializing in ADHD (pediatric neurologist, psychiatrist, psychologist, developmental ped, etc.). One who is well-versed, current and with whom you feel comfortable with.

I would suggest you print Ed’s post out and ask the doctor to comment on it.

The UN is controverial at best!

It’s looks like a Ball folks.

Yup, that one gave me a huge chuckle. You’re being nice calling them controversial at best. Despite the good they do manage, I’d say they are also a fine example of beaurocratic political non-decision. Source of info. or opinion on dd’s ADHD treatment - NOT!

Also, btw the U.N. recently changed foodservice companies in NY. It made the papers here b/c on the last day of the old foodservice company, these ‘educated’ ‘civilized’ ‘diplomats’ caused quite a commotion - wreaked havoc raiding the cafeterias and dining rooms for utensils, plates and going behind the counters taking food. The papers had a field day with it given the Iraq situation.

The UN has it’s problems that is for sure but I do believe we have a better world for having it. Just because they didn’t want to get involved in Iraq is not a reason to discount the UN. Iraq is gonna cost us trillians in the long run.

The UN did do great things in the former Yugoslavia in removing Milosovic.

As far as their stance on ADHD goes it would seem that Europe is dealing with it a lot more effectively than the US is and using a lot less medication.

could you please explain what does this somment refer to?

Ed,

You tell it like it is.

I work for Cornell Cooperative extension and in that capacity I need to be a fund of knowledge.

I found out about the danger of Ritalin during studies of the neurological effects of lawn pesticides on children and I was shocked at what I found by accident regarding the indiscriminate use of Mythyphenidate.

I have heard through the grapevine that Albany Medical Center Behavioral Science Division has just recieved a huge federal grant to study the whole Ritalin controversy. I am looking forward to the results.

Thanks for throwing in the word indiscriminate. That makes all the difference in the world and no on this board will argue with the dangers of indiscriminate use of any narcotic.

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