LD graduate off to CA community college

There are a few things and options to think about.

1. They are indeed out of compliance with her IEP,not to mention her IEP for the last three years should have some kind of transition goals and even a interagency connection,ESPECIALLY if she took a college class already. Big no no for the high school.
2. There is also a procedural safeguard for a student coming to the age of majority,which says they are suppose to tell her( your neice) what her rights are. another big no no for the high school again.

Options:
1. You can request a reevaluation of educational needs at ANY time,not just at three years.( do not forget,even a school district eval as poor as it is,can be disagreed with,and an Independent eval can be requested.)You must have a current eval for colleges,or one that is not going to be at the three year mark within that school year. A lot of parents get burned with this,because they do not consider this when they leave.

2. Most definitely request from the High school what the student rights are,then utilize those rights. ( of course find out what the rights are on your own,DO NOT assume they are telling you the whole truth,nothing but
the truth either!

3. Request an IEP and request the transition person do some TRANSITIONING,this could include vocational rehab,the college person.

College must comply with 504 and ADA laws.

Now ,the fact that she also took a class last year AT THE college,makes the college obligated to have done a few things,one of which was to again,tell her what her rights are.

http://www.ed.gov/offices/OCR/regs/34cfr104.html#S42

read the laws,they must provide accomodations,they must not deny her what it would take for her to benefit from her education.

she must be a defined student with a disability this will be defined by the result of an evalution.

ADA would be another law I would look at. Also voc rehab laws are also federal laws,and the community college must comply with them.

There are a few things and options to think about.

1. They are indeed out of compliance with her IEP,not to mention her IEP for the last three years should have some kind of transition goals and even a interagency connection,ESPECIALLY if she took a college class already. Big no no for the high school.
2. There is also a procedural safeguard for a student coming to the age of majority,which says they are suppose to tell her( your neice) what her rights are. another big no no for the high school again.

Options:
1. You can request a reevaluation of educational needs at ANY time,not just at three years.( do not forget,even a school district eval as poor as it is,can be disagreed with,and an Independent eval can be requested.)You must have a current eval for colleges,or one that is not going to be at the three year mark within that school year. A lot of parents get burned with this,because they do not consider this when they leave.

2. Most definitely request from the High school what the student rights are,then utilize those rights. ( of course find out what the rights are on your own,DO NOT assume they are telling you the whole truth,nothing but
the truth either!

3. Request an IEP and request the transition person do some TRANSITIONING,this could include vocational rehab,the college person.

College must comply with 504 and ADA laws.

Now ,the fact that she also took a class last year AT THE college,makes the college obligated to have done a few things,one of which was to again,tell her what her rights are.

http://www.ed.gov/offices/OCR/regs/34cfr104.html#S42

read the laws,they must provide accomodations,they must not deny her what it would take for her to benefit from her education.

she must be a defined student with a disability this will be defined by the result of an evalution.

ADA would be another law I would look at. Also voc rehab laws are also federal laws,and the community college must comply with them.

Angela,

I guess this all depends on where. Our son has attended Jr. College here in East County of San Diego and he LOVES IT. He is even taking more courses beyond the 2 years and we have no problem with it.

When he first went in to get enrolled, he went in to the counselor’s office himself and requested to be tested for ld. It was interesting when he came home after the testing because he thought he wasn’t going to get any help because he thought he “aced” the testing and was no longer ld.

Irony of ironies, his scores came back almost identical to the 3rd grade levels of variation between performance and ability. His opportunities for ld assistance at college are pretty much left up to him, he has access to a computer lab, tutoring when he requests it etc…, elimination of timed testing if he feels pressured…

Anyway, just our experience. Remember, we had no school help or IEP from 4th grade on, and he attended non-public from 5th grade on.

The Jr. College campus size, class sizes etc. seem to be much more tolerable for him, I think the huge universities would have freaked him out.

Good luck to her.

Andy

Socks — the legalities for the college are very different. IT’s stupid but a little lip service to the concept of “transition” (sometimes a questionaire about interests or something cheesy like that) can fulfill that.
The college catalog (which is probably online) will probably have all the info about rights, etc. (and/or the disabilities office at the college will have fliers) — so I wouldn’t waste time asking people to let me know my rights, but would knock at the doors of the people supposed to help me get ‘em. It’s mroe of a challenge at some colleges than others — and it really helps to have somebody (like an advisor) who knows what kind of teachers teach in what way. One of my students who had to re-take Math 098 just went and talked to a bunch of the teachers and picked the one he liked best… didn’t technically “advocate” as far as having an LD went or anything, just asked them about the stuff that he figured would make it or break it with him. I know he *passed* the second time… I should check & see C or B :-)
Anyway, the bottom line is — no IEPs at college. THey don’t exist. You have to make reasonable accommodations, but there’s no obligation to make sure the kid gets an education.
Of course, if you come out to Parkland, we try anyway :) :)

This is really interesting, I just replied on another bulletin board about this same subject. Good to know I had my facts straight LOL! Someone else had stated that the college had to follow an iep and I knew that was wrong.

Out of curiousity, because of the question raised on the other board, if you had a student/child who has just lost his scholarship due to excess partying, porn on line, other “I’m FREE” behaviors, would you have that student live at home or send them back to the dorm life? What kind of consequences would you impose?

I personally spent all but one semester at home and went to jr and sr college (small classes). I didn’t know then that I had add but apparently worked around it all the same. 12 hrs per semester, small classes and took mostly what interested me.

Best wishes.
Amy

[u]actually they are obligated to do more then just pass out a phamlet,and:[/u]
(vii)(I) beginning at age 14, and updated annually, a statement of the transition service needs of the child under the applicable components of the child’s IEP that focuses on the child’s courses of study (such as participation in advanced-placement courses or a vocational education program);

(II) beginning at age 16 (or younger, if determined appropriate by the IEP Team), a statement of needed transition services for the child, including, when appropriate, a statement of the interagency responsibilities or any needed linkages; and
(III) beginning at least one year before the child reaches the age of majority under State law, a statement that the child has been informed of his or her rights under this title, if any, that will transfer to the child on reaching the age of majority under Section 1415(m); and

(viii) a statement of —

(I) how the child’s progress toward the annual goals described in clause (ii) will be measured; and (II) how the child’s parents will be regularly informed (by such means as periodic report cards), at least as often as parents are informed of their nondisabled children’s progress, of —

(aa) their child’s progress toward the annual goals described in clause (ii); and
(bb) the extent to which that progress is sufficient to enable the child to achieve the goals by the end of the year.

(5) Failure to Meet Transition Objectives. If a participating agency, other than the local educational agency, fails to provide the transition services described in the IEP in accordance with paragraph (1)(A)(vii), the local educational agency shall reconvene the IEP Team to identify alternative strategies to meet the transition objectives for the child set out in that program.

state laws vary regarding age of majority,so does whether the college uses the exiting IEP. I would definitely check your state regs.

:lol: The regs have improved — but I’ve seen them fulfilled by basically saying “we gave Johnny the yada yada interest inventory and discussed it with him and his parents” and that sort of thing — you know, the usual conveyer belt thing where that’s what the teachers do that week and get their aide to cover the class, and just putting that individual name on it covers that thing that rhymes with class. For a few too many guidance counselors & teachers, that sped label means they don’t even think college or postsecondary — or, sadly, the other orgs in the community that can help make a good employment match which our guys (and an awful lot of adults) could so desperately need… but maybe it’s getting better, I”ve been out of that end of it for a few years.

of course it isn’t getting better,Sue. It is still up to the parent to utilize what the regs say,and demand better then what they are getting.

Recently,this past year,I attended a presentation at COPAA( Council of parent attorney’s and advocates) regarding transition,postsecondary education that included the vocational rehabilitation laws. I was appalled. I know kids are NOT getting what the law actually say they are suppose to get. Amazes me. If you have a kid who is eligible for voc rehab,this law goes beyond IDEA and high school. They actually have a IPE plan! This is a Individualized plan for employment. The local educational agency BEFORE the age of majoity is supposed to sit down with the other agency and develp a plan. Again ,I would think if the student we posted about originally spent time in the college class while still being a student in high school covered under an IEP,the other agency and the lcoal agency was obligated to provide goals helping her through the transition period.

But back to voc rehab. They meet and develop this IPE and the agency is require to provide support for the student IF this is what they have determined would be appropriate,that the person continue to be a student. Could be employment or group home situation,etc. whatever would help the person to be a self sufficent member of society.Just one more agency to cut through red tape with. But personally I think it is worth looking at the law and determining if your child might be eligible and what can be offered,if help beyond what is already provided is necessary.

34 CFR 361.5(7) and (8)
34CFR361.5(40)
34CFR361.22 361.41 361.42-48
34CFR 361.53 and 57