Hi,
I have not exactly a question, more a comment. I have been doing V/V and OCN with a student. I am have her three days a week for 1 1/2 hrs. I am doing V/V for roughly 25 mins. and also OCN for about 25 min. (also other stuff which accounts for the 1 1/2 hrs. And she is definitely making progress. Just a comment as they are saying you absolutely have to do every day and that for more like an hour.
Her images are MUCH more detailed, spontaneous with eye movement going up the whole nine yards. She also commented that she is using visualization to help her with reading at school. Now I’m sure she would make more progress if it were more often, but I wonder if:
a. She doesn’t really need the program. That she basically needed permission to visualize and once it was allowed, reinforced that she is doing it.
b. That we are getting some line, or that they really don’t know what would happen if you do it less often.
Any comments?
—des
Re: LMB and no. of times per week
I doubt any family I have talked to could afford it! (I officially have 4 students now, but one is not ld— and I think the one is the only kid I will use V/V on). Most families can handle the twice a week thing, but I doubt they could deal with the five times a week and hours a day.
They really do stress this, makes me wonder if it is true at all, or if it is true in some cases, or just that the kid doesn’t actually need it and just needed the reassurance that it is ok to visualize (or perhaps that it was possible to visualize what she reads).
BTW, we had a lot of fun doing Halloween paragraphs which I wrote!
She really entertains me with her imaging and times.
—des
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des, it is not hard for me to accept that a concentrated therapy regimen is preferred. But as Patti said, most people can’t do it that way. So I think twice a week is good. Of course, they will still learn, but you may have to spend more time in review when it is not daily…just a thought.
Janis
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Three days a week really isn’t that bad — and the bottom line is, some students need less than others. I’ve had students who really needed the brain cells retrained and every other day would have meant enough hours, really, to almost undo everything we had done because the language skills were being “practiced” with the old-wiring ways. Other brains seemed more flexible and it seemed there was spontaneous generalization. I suspect older students who are motivated and can self-talk are more likely to grab an idea nd practice it independently — which means that, in a way, she *is* getting it more often than three times a week.
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Janis’ comments: strange how little she does need to review. The structure words get fitted in automatically in the descriptions without much prompting. If I do prompt her its somethign like: tell me more about ___.
So it’s pretty openended at this point.
I’m sure every day of anythign would be better. Wonder how fast the kiddos would go with OG or anything else, 4 hours a day, 5 days a week!
OTOH it would kill student 2, she was exhausted by 45 mins of OG.
Sue’s comment: Perhaps she does now sort of practice it. She says she is visualizing the sentences. Much as I do now as I read.
*I* didn’t do v/v 5 days a week either.
—des
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Truthfully, des, I would go crazy if I had to work with one child for a solid four hours at a time! Somewhere between 45-90 minutes is about all I can handle!
Janis
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I would too. I am actually not even doing VV for the recommended length of time (45 min). I just don’t have the time (though with OCN I guess it works out to that— given that they are similar, one is visualizing words and the other visualizing symbols, concepts. I can see where OCN requires some VV to get started.
Still it seems to work.
—des
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My guess is some kids are better at learning to visualize than others (just like with anything). And those kids that can make good progress within a short amount of time (like this child you’re describing) probably make phenominal gains through the LMB clinics. Those would be their big success stories!
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Oh I’ll bet you’re right here. I see this kid is really blossoming. Seemed a shy average kid and she is coming up with stuff now, well not sure where it is coming from.
I would bet if she were at the LMB centers they’d have her on grade level in everything in a couple weeks, at the intensity they do things.
—des
Des,
I was trained in VV 5 years ago by Paul Worthington. I know they really stress doing it frequently but that isn’t feasible with some families and their income. If she is making progress then continue with what you are doing. Sometimes kids get burned out in intensives. It can be brutal…just ask my daughter…