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hey Prences, lerning sing langueg was esy for me and spanch wasnt that hard but agen I’m adatory so… but i realy dont know how i would do with anothere riten langueag lol. :P

I had a hard enough time trying to learn english let alone both German and french. I leant german in one school for two years whent to anoughter school who was only just starting german, adn the techer thought i was lying that i had allready done it what ever i siad they wouldn’t belive me. So i endeded doing it for anoughter 3 years. And still only got a D even though i did it twice, thought i would get less then that. After everyone learning friench for two years i had to come in and was expected to catch up, ha! I didn’t have to take french for GCSE’s with was good. Making lanuages nessaray was just mean, i needed to catch up with english not be confused with another laungage.

Hi ya Princess.

I actually took a coule of sign language classes a couple of years ago, I am a VERY VISUAL learner, so for me it was not that difficult…although, since i stopped using sign language i forgot some of the words….

Good Luck w/ it!

[b]WELL LEARNING SPANISH WAS EASY FOR ME BECAUSE I LEARNED THAT WHEN I WAS 7 OR 8 YEARS OLD AND I HAVE HISPANIC FRIENDS AND FAMILY,BECAUSE I DONT SPEAK IT SO MUCH ANYMORE I BASICALLY FORGOT MOST OF THE SAYINGS BUT I RECOGNIZE IT IF I READ IT AND READIT BETTER THAN I SPEAK IT -IF THAT IS POSSIBLE- BUT NOW I WANNA LEARN PORTUGUESE AND GERMAN.I HAVE A SON NOW SO I AM GOING TO TEACH HIM THE SAME LANGUAGES I KNOW….UM, I KNOW THIS IS OFF THE RECORD BUT ANYONE KNOW WHERE I CAN FIND A JOB ADD-FRIENDLY ???????????[/b]

Good Question~~~~~

The best answer is to know yourself and exactly what situations make you look good, and which ones make you look bad. HUNT for the kind of job that puts you in a good light. If you’re good when the situations are constantly changing, or on the other hand good when things follow a strict routine — look for the job like that.
And in the mean time keep building your skills anddoing something that can be put on a resume.

[quote=”Sue”]Good Question~~~~~

The best answer is to know yourself and exactly what situations make you look good, and which ones make you look bad. HUNT for the kind of job that puts you in a good light. If you’re good when the situations are constantly changing, or on the other hand good when things follow a strict routine — look for the job like that.
And in the mean time keep building your skills anddoing something that can be put on a resume.[/quote]

Easier said than done. Learning disability is a term made up by educators so it can mean what ever is convienient at the time.

The fact is “LD” is a complex neurological disorder with even more complex ramifications.

The fact that help available to adults is really anti-help that complicates things even further.

The fact that the people who make a living by claiming to be experts in LD further muddy the water make life for most adult LDers an excercise in futility.

The fact also remains that most LDers are under employed.

Save yourself a lot of heartache and resign yourself to the fact that you will not ever have a carreer but rather a sucky job. Get used to it.

In the meantime screw with the “experts” Like I do. It can be quite satisfying knocking some pompous arse down a few pegs

No kidding, easier said than done ;)

There’s a lot to be said for accepting that your job doesn’t define you — so having a sucky job doesn’t make you a sucky person. Might make a person less likely to need to screw other people, too — there is entirely enough of that in the world. (Now, make them squirm because their nice definitions have been yanked out from under them, I’m all for it… comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable!)

[quote=”Sue”]No kidding, easier said than done ;)

There’s a lot to be said for accepting that your job doesn’t define you — so having a sucky job doesn’t make you a sucky person. Might make a person less likely to need to screw other people, too — there is entirely enough of that in the world. (Now, make them squirm because their nice definitions have been yanked out from under them, I’m all for it… comfort the afflicted and afflict the comfortable!)[/quote]

Sue do you have a sucky low paying job?

I think there is a lot of phoneyness and apathy. I think there is an attitude that says “Hooray for me and screw you”

The fact that accomodation is not forth coming for people with hidden disabilities is an inditement (sp) of the system in place that “helps” these people.

Voc Rehab is a tribute to ineptitude and Rube Goldberg.

If you think about it the only truly disabled people are those of us with cognitive impairments. As the world become more and more technical we become more and more impaired.

I AM AN EXPERT ON HIDDEN DISABILITY. I can speak with great authority onthe subject. I can tell you this with great authority. THERE IS NO ACCOMODATION OR HELP AVAILABLE!!!

Everyday is a hard time for adults with LD. There is no solution. If there ever will be a solution it will most likely be medical. A vocational solution will never happen because labor laws the BS Americans with DIsabilities Act (ADA) and a totally inept clueless Voc Reahab system will never allow it.

The only social program solution would be a privatized results based common sense approach. The only role government should have is to subsidize companies who higher less productive LD workers.

Let’s also face facts if we weren’t less productive we would not be vocationally disabled.

What disgusts me is that we accomodate criminals drunks and druggies but we are the ones that have to make accomdations. I was told once to make up for my disability to come in early, work later and work through my breaks and lunch. I am not willing to do that. Noone should. We LDer’s are the new Niggers. (No racial slur intended) That being said, we should approach our fight for equal treatment the way the children of slavery did.

I am currently self employed because that was the only way I could get the accomdations I need.

In the past I have seriously contemplated suicide because of my circumstances. If I could have a choice of not ever being born I would choose that. I am not being dramatic. I am being practicle.

quote: ” think there is a lot of phoneyness and apathy. I think there is an attitude that says “Hooray for me and screw you”
”

…. are you suggesting that I have that attitude, or that you do, or others (proverbial “experts”)?

My current job does not suck — tho’ I could look at it that way; I’m overqualified for it, and no, it’s not the pay my background & training would normally merit.
I have had sucky jobs. Yes, really. No, I am absolutely sure your situation is worse than mine.
So… how do people find freedom from oppression? There is *some* (not all, but some) truth to the saying that nobody can make you feel inferiour without your permisison.
Sorry if you think I am phony (tho’ you didn’t specify); it’s just this thing I have about looking for ways out of the mire. It’s not phony and it beats wallowing in it.

Sue I cast no aspersions on you at all.

Speaking in practical terms there are many occupations that which our disability disqualifiies us.

A guy in a wheel chair can pilot and airplane many LDers can and should not do that. A guy in a wheel chair could be a short order cook an LDer probably would have a problem do that. Before I go on with more examples by LD I mean people with cognitive impairments and various developmental disability. Most technical jobs are out of the question for many LDers.

As far as hooray for me and screw you is concerned that is just a by product that place competition above cooperation.

From personal experience I have been danced around by VR neuro psychologists and educators all of whom had a finacial stake in it.

I have dealt with “experts” who know much less about the subject that I know.

I and others like me have been treated terribly when looking for a hand up.

There is no practical system in place that offers vocational solutions for LDers. What does exist is a myriad of agencies that exist because the can get grant money to fill a percieved need.

The glaring reality is this. Inspite of all the social worker type dim wits with impressive sounding titles the real world demands job performance.

If I were to hire an employee the last person I would hire is a disabled person. The person I would hire would be the best person for the job and in most circumstances that person would not be an LDer.

The reality of it is we need charity and that charity should not come from the private sector but rather from the government in the from of money.
Instead of spending money on vocational programs that are essentially useless we should be offering full gainful employment to the cognitively challenged with the government picking up the tab.

We suffer in ways that are not always easily explained. The emotional and psychological damage of living a life with LD is immeasurable. We face the reality of never living to our potential and having a rather meaningless life as most of us suffer in silence.

Does *anybody* live to their full potential? “Lives Of Quiet desperation” are not limited to those with labels, and meaning doesn’t have to come from a job.

Why would it have to be a government job? So it would be guaranteed? I have developed a rather strong distaste for settings (such as schools) where there’s essentially no accountability because the “business” doesn’t have to succeed except politically. Those “experts” you are so fond of bashing…. think about how that happens…

On the other hand, a pool company I worked for hired many people wtih assorted hidden disabilities and pretty much worked with what the workers brought to the situation. (It was a really interesting bunch of what I’d call “arguably functional” folks.) Accommodatoins were a matter of course — they were just ways to get the job done. In some ways the job was “sucky” — scrubbing down swimming pools with hydrochloric acid has its drawbacks — but basically you were paid decently and treated decently.

Of course, waiting around for charity (and pity, of course!) is easier. The stats on employment of people with visible handicaps are also extremely dismal, by the way.

[quote=”Sue”]Does *anybody* live to their full potential? “Lives Of Quiet desperation” are not limited to those with labels, and meaning doesn’t have to come from a job.

Why would it have to be a government job? So it would be guaranteed? I have developed a rather strong distaste for settings (such as schools) where there’s essentially no accountability because the “business” doesn’t have to succeed except politically. Those “experts” you are so fond of bashing…. think about how that happens…

On the other hand, a pool company I worked for hired many people wtih assorted hidden disabilities and pretty much worked with what the workers brought to the situation. (It was a really interesting bunch of what I’d call “arguably functional” folks.) Accommodatoins were a matter of course — they were just ways to get the job done. In some ways the job was “sucky” — scrubbing down swimming pools with hydrochloric acid has its drawbacks — but basically you were paid decently and treated decently.

Of course, waiting around for charity (and pity, of course!) is easier. The stats on employment of people with visible handicaps are also extremely dismal, by the way.[/quote]

Your last statement is quite offensive but I will let it go until I adress a few other things you have said.

If we were to follow your thinking we would not have ramps for wheel chair bound people.

Now to your last statement. There is a huge difference between compassion and pity. The people I pity are the souless automotons that make a living “helping”/exploiting the disabled.

A sucky job I suppose is in the eye of the beholder but sucky pay is a no brainer. If a person cannot earn a LIVING WAGE dur to his or her disability they have few choices. What happens in the real world is they end up on Social Security disabilty or some other percentage of public assisance and that IS pitiful. They will never own property. They will see nothing but a bleak future.

Depending on the degree of their disabilty they will not have the opportunities that non disabled people have. I realize that all people are not created equal and the social Darwinism of the far right further amplifies that point.

I do not advocate that all LDer be given government jobs but that would not be a bad idea because an Lder working at his full capacity would probably be more productive than a government worker. What I am suggesting is that the orivate sector hire truly disabled workers aand by disabled I mean workers who are not on a par with normal workers. Being that the only thing our government does well is tax and spend then the government should compensate companies who hire the truly disabled

As it stand now the truly disabled are collecting disability benefits. This is a lose lose situation. This situation not only calls people disabled but it calls them worthless.

I realize that dignity is another luxury not afforded to the truly disabled and vocationally challenged and for the sick morons running the show it is a lot easier to create another lable or 2. Those lable are learned helplessness and malingerer.

Until you have lost job after job due to your LD you will have no idea how badly it effects people. Any self worth that you may have hung unto is school didn’t knock it out of you is completely blown away by being a “screw up”

It is interesting and telling the way you describe people. I think that live stock are spoken of a little more humanely

Oh and I am not bashing experts because there are none. If I am bashing anyone it is the exploiters who have pulled the wool over the eyes of the guy with the gold.

Here is a liitle thing you may want to look up Sue. Tell us the success rate that VR has in finding clients gainful employment. The find the stats that show how many cogintvely challeged people VR has found gainful employment. After you figure it out that the VR stats are dismal at best then find a way to blame it on the client.

Sue there is plenty of pity and charity but ther is very little help. There is a difference. DO I need to explain?

As a businessman I can tell you exactly why businesses exist. Business exists for profit. The only reason to go into business is profit. They major goal of business is profit because with out profit ther will be no business and with out business there will be no jobs and without jobs ther will be no money for paying taxes.

So Sue, the responsibility of business is to increase profits and grow in order to create jobs.

The problem with the human service social worker mentality is that while they believe they are liberals in reality they are social ultra-conservatives and fical liberals. As it stands now the schizphrenic mind set seems to want to shift the “burden” of employing the disabled onto the private sector with garbage legislation like the ADA that is bad for the disabled and business. The ADA has been a goldmine for *sleazy lawyers* (*oxymoron)

You also need to know that business is wise and frugal and the
government is not.

As it stands now the ADA make it illegal for an employer to ask a prospective employee if he has a disability. It is further suggested by the moronic human service types that a disabled person not disclose his or her disability. That advice doesn’t surprise me because the entire system is based on a lie.

Here are the 2 biggest lies. Your check’s in the mail. I’m from the government and I’m here to help you.

Okay, I guess I just like logic too much.

You want government jobs, but the biggest lie iss that the government is here to help you.

You say you want charity, then you say there is plenty of it.

Disablity benefits are a lose lose situation — but you said you wanted help in the form of money.

Profit simply doesn’t exclude bringing out the best in people and cutting them some breaks. THose people come back and keep working — and some of them even develop loyalty — and you’re not constantly retraining people.

Or — you become a business man yourself. Which you are…

Sue I will again logically piont by point adress your quips

[quote=”Sue”] you say.”Okay, I guess I just like logic too much.” I’m not sure what you mean by that remark but I will say this that it is illogical and stupid for a business not to hire the most qualified worker. If the most qualified worker is disabled then in reality he is NOT disabled.

Sue said,”You want government jobs, but the biggest lie iss that the government is here to help you.” –> Sue did you really miss my point or are you using a debating tactic. Either way I will try again incase you really didn’t get it. Here goes. Like I said before the only thing government does well is tax and spend. Business/pravate sector should implement programs that hire the disabled with the government footing the bill. That way they will come up with something that works.

You say you want charity, then you say there is plenty of it.–> I refer to government cheese but I will relate a story that may explain things. You will need a heart in order to appreciate it.

A rich boss gave his poor underpaid worker a half flack of whiskey to drink. After the poor man drank the whiskey the rich boss asked how he like the whiskey. The poor man replied “It’s about right” the boss asked the poor man what he meant by that and the poor man replied “If it were any better you would not have given it to me and if it were any worse I would not have drank it” Sue, do you get it and are pretending not to? I hope not.

Sue said, “Disablity benefits are a lose lose situation — but you said you wanted help in the form of money.” –> If you are going to paraphrase please do it accurately. The vast majority of people on disability would rather be gainfully employed. If you are not sure what gainful employment is think about the whiskey story.

Sue said, “Profit simply doesn’t exclude bringing out the best in people and cutting them some breaks. THose people come back and keep working — and some of them even develop loyalty — and you’re not constantly retraining people.” –> It seems I’ve heard that song before. Are you seriously saying that non disabled workers are less loyal? Maybe you figure that the disabled are so peed on that they will be loyal and accept the crumbs massa throws their way. Yep massa get to feel all warm and fuzzy.

Sue unlike you I have spent my time in the real world wher money talks and BS walks. Business is the most competitive sport there is. I know. You can ask any business professor and they will tell you that the business of business is business. It all comes down to the bottom line because that is the only thing that matters. Is cold as that may sound it is ulimately fair and logical.

Sue said, “Or — you become a business man yourself. Which you are…”

That’s right Sue I have a sole proprietorship and I have to compete in the real world and frankly I get my butt kicked because I am not competitive as much so I am drinking the whiskey that isn’t even about right. The “good” lord saw fit to place me at a disadvantage. The real worl offers zero hands up and pitiful insulting hands out. My American dream is a nightmare for three reasons. 1. the reality of my condition. 2. an uneven playing field. 3. and the systemized ignorance so apparent in your response.

LIke it or not Sue we LDers or what ever you want to call us, we are victims. We’re not like the femminist victims or the fat victims. We are more like minority victims because our situation is real. What is worse is our disabilty is hidden. what is worse is there are no quotas. What is worse is there is no help. What is worse is the stereotypes are more damaging.

But Sue what is the biggest kick inn our teeth is that we get attacked by people like you when we stop lying to ourselves about the true nature of our predicament.

Sue don’t worry it wasn’t you who soured my milk. Even thoiough you wouldn’t drink for me it’s about right.

Nope. I don’t get it.

I do understand that you take what you can get, because you need to… but that it’s an insult to dignity to expect you to believe it’s fair or good.

I also get that real people aren’t like TV versions of The Loyal Disabled Worker, perfect in every way save that little flaw that they So Bravely Deal With Every Day.

However, I still disagree with your assumption that it is unbusiness like to hire people with disablities and other imperfections (whether officially labeled or not) and instead of firing them when they aren’t perfect and keeping wages low and spending all your time treating people like morons (and getting the worst of the lot because of your wages), to work with people, work around literacy or driving or language or math or substance abuse issues, etc. Note (speaking of paraphrasing) that I didn’t say *everybody* was a loyal cheerful employee. Strange as it may sound, people who find an employer who works with tehir imperfections do sometimes appreciate it. Sometimes these imperfections are called disabilities. So, there is some connection there. If you choose to brand this stereotyping I can’t do anythign about it. There is no reason to assume it isn’t good business practice and that “private” businesses can’t do it. AS I said, I have seen what happens with unaccountability in government-type “have the charity to give you a job” setting — it turns out the experts who don’t know what they’re doing. I guess I could understand if basically you want their jobs since you figure you coud do it as well as they do.

I don’t see your point at all about people preferring gainful employment — no duh. I guess I don’t consider that charity. You specifically did want charity, in the form of money.

I don’t see the connection between gainful employment and the whisky story. Is that relationship, because of the cheapness of the whisky, not “gainful”? I think that is a question of degree — um, no, many of us don’t have employers who respect us as equals. That doesn’t have much to do with disabilities; more to do with the power of being the employer.

Do you think employers have to have that kind of relationship with employees?

Again I will take this point by point

[quote=”Sue”] Sue says “Nope. I don’t get it.” –-> That’s quite obvious.

Sue says, “I do understand that you take what you can get, because you need to… but that it’s an insult to dignity to expect you to believe it’s fair or good.” ––> huh?

Sue says “I also get that real people aren’t like TV versions of The Loyal Disabled Worker, perfect in every way save that little flaw that they So Bravely Deal With Every Day.” –—> No you don’t.

Sue says, “However, I still disagree with your assumption that it is unbusiness like to hire people with disablities and other imperfections (whether officially labeled or not) and instead of firing them when they aren’t perfect and keeping wages low and spending all your time treating people like morons (and getting the worst of the lot because of your wages), to work with people, work around literacy or driving or language or math or substance abuse issues, etc.”––> It may not be “unbusiness” but it is bad business to hire a less qualified worker when qualified ones are available. Unlike government and the non-profit scams business has to perform and make a profit inorder to exist. Hiring less competitive workers is just stupid. Essentially a business is buying labor. Successful businesses buy the most cost effective labor. Truely disabled people are not cost effective. If they were cost effective they wouldn’t be disabled. It is also obvious that you have never owned a business.

With her foot in her mouth Sue says, “Note (speaking of paraphrasing) that I didn’t say *everybody* was a loyal cheerful employee. Strange as it may sound, people who find an employer who works with tehir imperfections do sometimes appreciate it. Sometimes these imperfections are called disabilities.”––—..> Wow! now a true vocational disability is an imperfection. Sue, you should sell used cars.

So, there is some connection there. If you choose to brand this stereotyping I can’t do anythign about it. There is no reason to assume it isn’t good business practice and that “private” businesses can’t do it. AS I said, I have seen what happens with unaccountability in government-type “have the charity to give you a job” setting — it turns out the experts who don’t know what they’re doing. I guess I could understand if basically you want their jobs since you figure you coud do it as well as they do.

Sue wrote “I don’t see your point at all about people preferring gainful employment — no duh. I guess I don’t consider that charity. You specifically did want charity, in the form of money.”–-> Sue, for the 3rd time I did not say that I said that the government should compensate businesses that hire the truly disabled” You may call it charity but I would say that the measure of a society is how well it treats its weakest members. I would call comensating business for employing disabled people would be an example of a hand up and compassion. I also think it would be cheaper in the long run for the taxpayers especially if the disabled workers had private insurance instead of Medicare and Medicaid. It would improve their quality of life.

Sue wrote “I don’t see the connection between gainful employment and the whisky story. Is that relationship, because of the cheapness of the whisky, not “gainful”? I think that is a question of degree — um, no, many of us don’t have employers who respect us as equals. That doesn’t have much to do with disabilities; more to do with the power of being the employer.” –—> I’m not surprised you don’t get it so I will try again. The whiskey is an example of today’s handout type charity like SSI and SDI and Welfare and Foodstamps. Sucky employers exist because they are allowed to exist. Usually successful employers treat their customers and workers well.

Do you think employers have to have that kind of relationship with employees?[/quote]––> no

In a nut shell we should have full employment for the disabled. This employment should be gainful employment. They should be paid the same as non-disabled employees even if they are far less productive. The only “charity” should be that the employer should be compensated by the government for keeping less competitive worker on their payrolls.

What about that plan do you have a problem with?

Gee, you know what, my foot isn’t in my mouth. Hasn’t been, either. If it makes you feel better to imagine it there, your prerogative.

Compensation for hiring less competitive employees sounds sensible - especially if there’s some accountability built in (especially if it would be private industry doing the hiring). I’d want to hear people try to think of unintended consequences, though… the government does have that knack of administering good ideas to death.

Okay, so you don’t “get” my interpretation of the whisky story. I figured it was a tale of an employee whose best choice of fairly dismal options was to accept what the employer gave, and that said employer was, as people in power often do, “being generous” in that special “let them eat cake” way they have that constantly reminds us how clueless they are about the reality of the people they control.
Sorry, since whisky is not anything like a necessity of life, I didn’t connect it with foodstamps and charity.
(and… one of the students here has just done a bit of research into Wal-Mart. Highly “successful.” Treats employees well? well… the statement that they exist because they’re allowed to — you’re allowing them to? The Government is alllwing them to? Somebody should allow them to? Somebody shouldn’t? The employees allow them to? )

And, sorry, you’re simply stuck in your own misconcepttions — hey, it’s comfortable — if you assume incorrectly that I don’t get the bit about “loyal disabled workers.” In your untold wisdom, you know what I understand? Um, no, I cannot understand your individual burdens, however insidious they are. True for all humans, no matter what their burdens. (Please try to observe that I have not stated that we all have them, implying equal distribution.) Um, it’s not obvious that I understand people with disabilities can be difficult? Even brusque or rude?

Does make more sense to compensate the employer for hiring less competitive workers; cheaper than welfare. Not sure what unintended consequences there would be when the WalMarts & Fast Foodites got hold of it; not sure how to phrase it to make sense to people who make those kinds of decisions.

Wal-Mart? Heee heee heee haa haa haaa hoo hoo hoo. Walmart has forms for all theier employee to file for public assistance because WalMart does not pay a living wage with benefits.

I will attempt to explain the whiskey story as it pertains to the disabled. Like the kind of help the disabled get the whiskey was barely palatable but for a poor person it was barely acceptable. If the whiskey was any better the boss would not have shared it with his employee.

Sue wrote,”And, sorry, you’re simply stuck in your own misconcepttions — hey, it’s comfortable — if you assume incorrectly that I don’t get the bit about “loyal disabled workers.” In your untold wisdom, you know what I understand? Um, no, I cannot understand your individual burdens, however insidious they are. True for all humans, no matter what their burdens. (Please try to observe that I have not stated that we all have them, implying equal distribution.) Um, it’s not obvious that I understand people with disabilities can be difficult? Even brusque or rude?”

About the only thing you said was that you don’t understand. I think that is the crux of the matter. Being that you don’t understand my burdens makes me wonder if you understand the burdens of most LDers.

As far as the disabled being brusque or rude. Generally I think we a patient to a fault. We usually walk away with our tails between our legs even if we think we may be right but we say to ourselves “what do we know? We are LD”

If you are accusing me of being brusque or rude you ain’t seen nothin yet. I learned from the cluless robots in agencies that exist to exploit a problem. When you are treated like a number or a case instead a person you tend to view the world as just a number or a person.

Like many others posting here I have been screwed blue and tattooed by a system that is dysfunctional at best. Sue we don’t here a lot of positive outcomes when some student goes to a students with disabilites office for some accomdations. We do here about the runaround they get. OVR is no different.

By the very fact that adults come here and post tells me that they are serious about getting their lives on track. They all seem ambitious and motivated but soon after being let down by an inept system they will become angry and jaded especially when they realizr that that system is not working for them.

The fact remains that we have a significant number of LDers who will never even get a chance at the brass ring no matter how hard they try. They are not even allowed in the game.

I wish you could live in my shoes for just one day. If you could you would immediately miss all the things you know take for granted. If you could multiply that experience by 1000 days you would look in the mirror and see a jaded person staring back. When you are stigmatized because your dyslexia is so bad that remedial reading is just another place to fail. When you are putting in 10 times more effort that your peers and then told you are lazy you start to believe it. When you lose job after job because you are a screw up it tends to take its toll.

With me Sue, what you see is what you get. I’d like you sit down and read a book but do it in the dark with a strobe light flashing about 30 time a minute for your only illumination. Then have someone berate you for not being able to do it fast enough. After a while you will be in tears, Now Sue imagine that for a child almost everyday of his life.

Now Sue you have to bring home your report grammar school card and you have incompletes and you parents beat you bumpy for being such a dumb ass as if you didn’t feel bad enough.

OK Sue, tell me where someone who has been through that can go for help?

Sue it is not our fault. In my support group I have heard stories from members that make you want to go to the nearest OVR office with a flame thrower.

Sue we are not a bunch of lazy malcontents. We are victims of a nasty disorder and an ignorant and uncaring world that claim to have all the answers but in reality have no solutions.

Well, I apprecciate this Bulletin Board System.
Getting and keeping a satisfying jobs is effected by the
motivation of the client/student individual; and the support
services offered by the public school ( through High School ) system;
Trade Schools, and local Community Colleges.

God knows I want to be involved in Virtual Private Networks that
use Encryption (ciphering) boxes; but I failed Math 1000 and I
doubt I can cope with training from Cisco Systems and Microsoft
for MCSE-Windows 2000 or Red Hat Linux/UNIX.

Some of us have not had the backing and support of families.
Those of us who did, had better success in college and in High School.
My parent left my LD support issues to the school system, and to
Davis and Elkins (West Virginia) College.

Some here, have written that a petition to Congress or letter(s) to the
Department of Education and Department of Labor might be of benefit.
It’s worth a shot. I would start with contacting your local college, and
then other colleges in your state, to get a petition going among supporters
of adult education.

Otherwise, do what we all do…..
Break out the phone book, and qualify to get services; teach yourself;
read Journal of Learning Disabilities and Journal of Rehabilitation, and
other good magazines at your local college–take “reading notes”; and
TAKE WHAT YOU HAVE LEARNED BACK TO THE PROFESSIONALS, AND
__SHAME__THEM__ IF YOU ARE DOING GOOD WORK AND STUDIES!!!!!

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