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Handwriting without tears cursive?

Submitted by an LD OnLine user on

Hi,

I have been really happy with the HWT manuscript. I love the multisensory activities, ideas on posture, holding pencil etc. But now I have a 2nd grader. Lousy handwriting and they are doing cursive in 2nd grade anyway. I look at that cursive and it looks odd to me. For one thing , I personally have tried it and I think it is tricky to retrace your letters. For example with some of the letters you go up and then go down over the same stroke. Is this difficult for the kids? Has anyone tried moderating it by just looping it like any other handwriting? (I have moderated a few of the manuscript letters. For example, C is made as starting in the middle. My student finds this difficult so we cheat a little.)

Anyone tried anything else they like? I looked at the MTS handwriting (an OG system). They have a handwriting program that looked easy enough.
It didn’t quite have some of the neat multisensory things that HWT does, but you could work them in.

—des

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 03/01/2004 - 1:41 PM

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HI! My son is dysgraphic and we did HWT cursive. He doesn’t write great but it helped him tremendously. Actually writing magic C was VERY impotant because it is used for many letters thruout the program. We didn’t veer from the program at all. Jan

Submitted by des on Mon, 03/01/2004 - 5:28 PM

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The magic “c” cursive is easier than the “c” in manuscript (we are first working on capitals as per the instructions). IMO, the cursive “c” is much more natural than the manuscript “c” which starts in the middle. He had lot of trouble with it, and I can see why. OTOH, the cursive “c” is much easier to make.

This is also a less severe kid so I don’t think he will have some of the same problems anyway.

Thanks,

—des

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 03/02/2004 - 1:19 AM

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I’m afraid that I took the easy way out. We eliminated cursive altogether and settled for legible manuscript and accurate typing skills. My 7th grade daughter has severe dysgraphia. It takes her 3.5 minutes to write the alphabet in manuscript, in cursive we’re looking at 9 plus minutes! Students are taught cursive but they are not graded. By this, I mean, there is no report card grade. So her IEP states she is allowed to print in manuscript vs cursive. However, if a teacher wants cursive the appropriate time allotment must be made which is 18 times that of the “standard” student.

Question: Does anyone think that I have disadvantage daughter by not requiring her to learn cursive as a secondary writing method?

Submitted by KTJ on Tue, 03/02/2004 - 2:45 AM

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Carmen,
It seems that printing should be her “secondary writing method” and keyboarding and word processing should be her primary method! If it takes her three and a half minutes to print the alphabet, how can she ever complete school work in time?

Submitted by Janis on Fri, 03/05/2004 - 12:58 AM

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I think an important consideration for some kids will be the new written essay component of the SAT. My understanding is that it is handwritten. I do not know whether print or cursive matters. But I do know it is going to be a real pain for some kids. Maybe it will cause handwriting instruciton to be re-emphasized, though.

Janis

Submitted by KTJ on Fri, 03/05/2004 - 2:34 PM

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Janis,
It would be discriminatory to require that it be in hand-written format from what I understand. There are students who are physically unable to produce handwritten work and students with visual impairments also require alternative methods to produce written work.

Submitted by Jan Raper on Fri, 03/05/2004 - 4:28 PM

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Carmen, I decided to go to cursive with my son because he absolutely couldn’t print. By teaching him a whole new form of writing he had more success. I don’t think it matters when they get older if they do cursive or not. My husband always prints and he is a computer scientist.You can’t read anything he writes in cursive.About the SAT and essay questions, my son’s dr. says that they MUST give him accomodations on that as well as extra time because of his documented LD in Written Expression and processing speed. I hope it is true. Jan

Submitted by Janis on Mon, 03/08/2004 - 2:39 AM

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I would think the process for getting modifications on the SAT for writing will be similar to what has to be done now to get extended time.

I did ask someone and it does not have to be cursive, though. I spoke with a handwriting expert this weekend and she says she strongly prefers italic handwriting programs for children with handwriting difficulties as opposed to Handwriting Without Tears. One she named was Getty-Dubay. She said it is attractive and can be used as print or joined somewhat like cursive but that kids do better with it than traditional cursive.

http://www.cep.pdx.edu/titles/italic_series/index.html

Janis

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