CSE?

I did a little Googling around thinking the C would be Confidential, but it seems to be:

committee on special education

If you have copies of your ld testing that is current, you take that (make sure to make copies for your own files) to the offices of student disability and get whatever you need that is ethical for you to recieve for your classes. No one can legally deny you diddly squat from your old high school, call the principal, get what you need, and move on. When you are an adult, you can ask for whatever records you would like and no one can tell you a damn thing. From personal experience I must tell you to please make copies of everything and put them somewhere safe like your family’s bible or other sacred texts. peace to you.

[quote=”merlinjones”]If you have copies of your ld testing that is current, you take that (make sure to make copies for your own files) to the offices of student disability and get whatever you need that is ethical for you to recieve for your classes. No one can legally deny you diddly squat from your old high school, call the principal, get what you need, and move on. When you are an adult, you can ask for whatever records you would like and no one can tell you a damn thing. From personal experience I must tell you to please make copies of everything and put them somewhere safe like your family’s bible or other sacred texts. peace to you.[/quote]

I understand that! However that’s not what I’m asking. I have called my high school and they told me they don’t deal with the special education information the Office of Pupil Personnel and Special services do. And I called them and asked for my files and assessments from high school and they faxed them over to me. I did make copies and have all of the information I asked for. My problem is even though I have this information on my IEP’s in high school the college told me that they don’t receive them, they only receive CSE files. And my question was to all of you, is what is CSE files. I have been receiving help for me disability for a long time and never heard of CSE file. I called and faxed back the special education office asking them if they know anything about this, and I’m still waiting for a reply. But if it comes out that they don’t know, and the information they gave me was fine I will raise Hell with no problem. I just don’t understand what is the difference between the damn IEP files and CSE files.

One of the major subjects you learn in college — it may not be on the books but it is a major part of your education — is how to deal with idiotic bureaucracies and with idiots in bureaucracies.

Yes, you feel angry, and you have a right to whn you are being given the runaround. Yes, you want to attack somebody — but this is NOT a productive approach to problem-solving.

First, get all your papers in hand, everything that could possibly be relevant, not only your old IEP’s but also school reports, doctor’s reports, test scores, etc. etc. Put it all in a nice pocket folder and go, personally, into that office.
Ask politely to see the person in charge. If the person at the front desk tells you they will take care of it, explain, still politely, that you have sent in the info twice already and it has NOT been taken care of, and you would prefer not to yell at them.
If the person in charge is “in a meeting” (I have been told at 1:30 AM that the people at aol were “in a meeting” — that was when I knew they were a lost cause) you ask for a *specific* time when they will not be in a meeting. Then you come back at that time and stand in the office politely asking for the person in charge until they get fed up enough to let you talk to somebody.
If they won’t even tell you when the person in charge will be there, go in the next morning fifteen minutes before the office opens and speak to the people as they enter, again politely, but ask “Are you Doctor ….” until you get the right one.
If they still prevent the students from ever meeting the people wo are supposedly hired to help students, go to the main office of the college — principal or president or provost. Write a formal letter of complaint, dated, and present it by hand. Also try to see the president or president vice-president *in person* and explain your quandary, that you are being required to produce a file but are not being informed what this file is. As you are doing this, politely but definitely explain what is being done to you and by whose office, by name. You will be sure that the complaint will get back to them.
When you finally get a person who has some decision-making ability, ask, still politely, for a definition of *exactly* what a CSE file is and how one gets created. Insist on getting the rules **in writing** — either as an official statement of policy on school letterhead (they *must* have such a thing if this is official college policy, and they can give you a copy) or as a handwriteen note from the person in charge, *signed*. That way, when you present the files the next time, they can’t tell you the rules are different.
Read the rules, get someone who knows this kind of thing to help you go over them, put together what you need for a CSE, and present it *in person* . Get a written receipt when you present the whole thing. And of course keep copies at home in a safe place.
Once you have shown that you are a competent person in control, they will see you coming the next time and won’t stonewall you because it isn’t worth the trouble.

http://www.lawyers.com/liralaw/SpecialEducation.jsp#CSE

The above hyperlink explains what the IEP and CSE is and all that jazz. The CSE is the commitee on special education, all the folks who your parents had to meet with once or twice a school year, they would have a meeting and write down (files) what accomodations you needed according to your age and all of that…in Tennessee that is how that was done, at least (‘tis all I know on that end). At any rate this CSE amounts to any findings found during the course of the school year that required modifications in accomadations and the like, and they wrote all that down in files. I cannot quite comprehend why your school(s) would want a yearly or bi (school) yearly breakdown on all of that, for I would assume you are past the age of a minor.

I say amen to Victoria’s post! You stand straight and tall…look all those office workers in the eye and get what you need for your schooling! AMEN to Victoria!

I had to do something similar to that in order to gain permission to take algebra during the summer and still be allowed to register for classes in the fall. I was being told it was ILLEGAL (in my state of Tennessee)for a learning disabled student to go past a certain course (credit) limit and that if they went past a certain limit of credit hours earned, they could only take the Algebra class they were in need of taking and nothing else for however many semesters it took and for some learning disabled students it takes more semesters than most (I have finally got down all but the last four chapters, out of nine for elementary algebra and that has taken me since last august…but I am learning disabled in math like heck, do not take that to heart as any indicator as to what you can do).

I spoke with the head of the offices of student disabilites and the lady in charge of this so called “law” but I came prepared with the counterarguments to dispute their LAW and quoted from the area of the Americans with Disabilites Act that pertains to all of us at Unviersity…you know that one part? There is a section of that which states in black and white what my Unviersity shall not do, basically, and what they were trying to do was highly wrong…I read it right aloud becuase it pertained to my situation perfectly…like “they” knew or something. This intimidated them and the surrendered. HAHA!

But what Victoria says is more important and I am living breathing proof what she says is very good to do, for I stood straight and tall (I am a five foot ten inch lady) and came prepared to this meeting and looked them both in the eye and gave them heck using the fullest extent of my speaking voice that was like right below a holler. I did my best Vanessa Redgrave impression, but that might be beofre your time:)

You do as Victoria says and what I have just related to you (I had to do this just Wed, it is fresh in my mind). You will get what you need. You also owe me a good fifteen minutes of my life back looking that up and having my computer freeze in the middle of it! Fifteen minutes I tell you:) You can pay me back the fifteen minutes you owe me by trying your best and keeping us in touch.

peace to you

The above hyperlink pertains to New York State, I know not where you live, however…the explanations are just as valid as to what the CSE is as they would be anywhere else, you know? Just read it and igonore the words New York.

What is funny is that I researched this rule and the head of the offices of student disabilites said she waives this rule pertaining to registration blocking and only taking (in my case) the one developmental class it takes you longer to learn than most…for developmental geometry but not for developmental level algebra. I called the board of education in my state and the director of post secondary education said that ideally, since 1989, they had wished for all graduates of Tennessee high schools to have fufilled thier algebra I and II requirements prior to entering university. I asked him about developmental level geometry and he told me that there is no real such thing as that as a course taught seperately, he said that this rule (since 1989!) applies to Algebra I and II classes where geometry is taught as a component. So all along I was being told by the head of the offices of student disabilites that she was waiving a rule that was not even in existance, but that at the same time did not pertain to my situation…this is what I was being told until I reasearched the actual requirements. I mean, she was stating to me that she waives something that is not even taught and that has no bearing on any student at univeristy in Tennessee anywhere. Logic would indicate that it would be the developmental Algebra I and II she should waive so that students can take those two classes along with other classes with their peers. She should not claim to waive something that is not even being taught…that is just fibbing!

Now, orangeheart…do not let this nonsense happen to you! I personally wonder why you cannot just do as Victoria says, but I am just figuring that you are being stonewalled hard for some reason. These are the vibes I am getting because I really wonder why your school would want to see the CSE because it is not truly logical for a University to really want that. If you are say, 19…what worked for you in grade three or something might not be applicable now, you know what I mean? My university tells me all the time that they could help me more if they had my old records but I am thirty years old…in 1985 I was a very young gal, man (computers and graphing calculators and things were just then being developed and all of that, eh?)…why would they want something from almost 20 years ago? They threw a fit when I told them that I finally found a neuropsychologist to consult with (which is like finding a needle in a haystack for an adult student in Memphis, Tn), for my own piece of mind more so than anything else. They told me they would not acknowldge that and would only acknowldge any gains I ahve made working a the math tutor of the offices of student disabilites…who is a person that has piss poor time management skills…Out of two hours a week, this gal will help me and one other student out for maybe a collective total of twenty minutes because she defers to those who have behavioral problems first and their ability to become easily distracted is what she defers to through having conversastions with them about current events and the like before ever helping any other student out with any math problems they found hard to do. So AHHHH! I found another tutor, that got them mad, and I do not care! Double AHHH! I do feel bad not having more tolerance about the students with behavioral issues, but I am always very polite and am always doing a lot of math work at home…I never depended on the math tutor all too much but this semester she did not even bother to ever help me with like maybe one out of the three problems that I thought were hard to do, she woudl just start reading the school paper with this younger fellow who never did his math! And she and he would start talking forever!

Same thing goes for you. If you have current testing, schedule a meeting with the offices of student disabilites and get the modifications that would jive best for you as you are right now. You are an adult now…and obviously very serious minded…what worked for you as a youngster is not really relevant for your situation as an adult right now in the year 2004…some things might never change, depending on your situation, you might need books on tape or something, you know? But, one thing that does change when you go from high school to University is the amount of reading and whatnot you have to do, it is far greater than what you have to do in high school…you take what you have and get modifications to your situation for the present, not the past.