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Just got Stanford test results

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I don’t post here much anymore but this board was instrumental in helping me figure out which way to go when I was in despair. That was Jan 2002 when my son was 6. I posted then that I was afraid that my son would never be able to read let alone read for pleasure the way he wanted even way back then. We’ve “hs’ed” with a tutor, retired teacher who took the Lindamood Bell course in Ca and who has worked with him from 3-4 hours a day pretty much year round. And this spring in the midst of vision therapy he took the Stanford test that the local schools give for placement. We knew he was decoding above grade level ( just finished 2nd) but he tested overall battery at 6.5 and 6.9. And this was averaging the almost zero score he got on sp. We’re doing a thousand most common words sp list and none of the words corresponded or played fair. Our tutour has been doing math U See and the real surprise was he tested at grade 11.5 for word problems. I don’t know where that came from except he has been playing chess for the past almost 3 years and the tutour has concentrated on word problems. We encouraged that even when he couldn’t really count. AND his convergence now tests off the chart after VT which we would have known anyway cause he has begun to read real books with small print. Specifically the Brian Jacques Mossflower ones I’ve been reading to him for 2 years. He was hesitant at first but now for hours on end. And has finished 2 now on 3rd. We are over the moon and I just wanted to thank those who provide this board for all the info and advice I’ve picked up on here over the past two years.
We knew that Jack was intelligent and so avoided all testing except for the one at Lindamood Bell we needed for insurance. We didn’t want the negative results but decided to look for what he could do. However at VT they give a rapid-naming language -based test which they use to screen for dyslexia. His scores were very low-almost not off the ground. After the VT it showed a very slight improvement there but not much. So I would agree the VT did very little to improve that. On the other hand he has been able to remediate much of the processing and do well despite still showing lo on the rapid-naming test. So I’m not sure how much good it does to try to remediate the rapid -naming. And until the VT he didn’t have the stamina to read more than few pages. So to me the conclusion wuld be that tho VT doesn’t help the dyslexic part of the brain, there may be a vision component to reading probs. Our VT separates the 2 and warns parents when they see indicators of language-processing probs. I can vouch that we still have sequencing and memory probs. As in: I can see him shoes on, glasses and lunch in hand ready to go out the door - turn to get my car keys and then get to the tutours and be missing shoes etc…
Anyway, just to say wo expecting results going out to do the best you can can work miracles. For which I’m very grateful.

Submitted by Janis on Tue, 06/22/2004 - 8:54 PM

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Hi, PK,

Wow, those are impressive scores! I am assuming you are the PK I know, and I just wanted you to know that I finished LiPS training last week! I took all the others within the last year. I think the key to your son’s success was having that tutor work with him intensively. You made some very, very wise choices and it has paid off. Congratulations and thanks for you help in the past!

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 06/23/2004 - 5:26 AM

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Yep It’s me! We’re all kind of in shock by the results. I still wouldn’t put him in a classroom but we think in 2 years with a few modifications he could and do well. Two years ago certainly no tester would have thought him gifted. Now, even my pooh-poohing relatives have to pay attention. I’m glad you got the LIPS training. You’re gonna be one awesome remediater.

Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 06/24/2004 - 4:38 AM

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Wow! Those are really impressive results! I’m sure the intensity combined with starting early were key components of the success.

Slow rapid naming is not the same as dyslexia. They are two different things. Many dyslexics — probably most — do not have slow rapid naming problems. Sometimes a dyslexic with visual processing problems will falsely test as having slow rapid naming, but that doesn’t seem to be the case with your son. The only therapy I know of that attempts to address slow rapid naming is NeuroNet (http://www.neuronetonline.com ). Body work seems to be necessary to effect improvement in slow rapid naming.

The sequencing and memory problems would likely be helped by cognitive skills training — either Audiblox (http://www.audiblox2000.com ) or PACE (http://www.processingskills.com ). Quite a few children who go through VT would benefit from a follow-up program to train cognitive skills.

Best of luck! It’s so refreshing to hear a success story!

Nancy

Submitted by Beth from FL on Thu, 06/24/2004 - 3:17 PM

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Those are wonderful results!! My son still doesn’t read for pleasure—although he was reading a muffin box mix this morning—to make muffins.
He is doing Seeing Stars this summer. We’ll see what difference it makes.

On rapid naming. My son has had rapid naming problems which have been helped by Neuronet. Yet he still doesn’t read as well as your son does. I think that for some kids, including mine, it is the constellation of issues that makes the biggest difference. You were able to increase other areas enough that the rapid naming wasn’t as important. We have done that with other therapies. My son’s skipping of words improved when we did a PG intensive–decoding wasn’t as much effort so there was more energy left for other things.

Beth

Submitted by Laura in CA on Fri, 06/25/2004 - 1:18 AM

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Hi PK,
How exciting that your son is doing so well!!! That’s really encouraging. I agree with everyone else that it’s the intensity which has probably helped make the biggest difference. Also, you’ve used great programs.

Thanks for sharing the good news and explaining how you were able to make a difference.

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