LD, ADHD connected to RH negative blood

No one is ADHD till it is proven to exist as something more than a spectral diagnosis based on something more organic and less subjective than spectral evidence. My husband holds a PHD in theoretical physics he has looked into this the methodology related to diagnosing ADHD and has declared it scientifically devoid of all credibility and of no more value than the spectral evidence presented during the salem witch trials based upon which 24 people were murdered.

What are you talking about?

[quote=Mandi]No one is ADHD till it is proven to exist as something more than a spectral diagnosis based on something more organic and less subjective than spectral evidence. My husband holds a PHD in theoretical physics he has looked into this the methodology related to diagnosing ADHD and has declared it scientifically devoid of all credibility and of no more value than the spectral evidence presented during the salem witch trials based upon which 24 people were murdered. [/quote]

Good point!

I do think there is such a think as poor attention and focus and there are organic causes that have been identified but I think that most diagnosed ADHD is really poor parenting and bad teaching methods.

I agree with you on that 100%. As for the organics i dunno… I haven’t seen much proof. I am not denying there might be some. I am also not saying it is impossible ADHD is at all connected to organic stuff. But, i am completely as a scientist not impressed with the non evidence that has been presented of an organic nature. I would like to see alot more. And i think they may be looking in the wrong places for it. I find, that i have very low energy. And as a result i think my focus and length there of is affected. I also know i was an abused child and i do believe that has alot to do with my issues. And again, i think bad parenting and poor teaching are major and key factors in ADHD. But i am not an adhd expert. I am an archaeologist.

As far as bad parenting and teaching skills go, I have known many good parents, and several of them teachers themselves that have children with learning disabilities. And there are many people who grow up to
be very academically inclined and go on to be very successful who who had vertually no parenting skills.
I am one of 4 children and my brother is A-positive and the rest of us are negative. He is the only one who had no difficulties in school and nor did his children, but the rest of us had some degree of learning problems, along with our children. We all had the same parents. I believe that almost everything is inherited to some degree. I do believe that the mixing of negative and positive blood causes confusion to the immune system and causes it to react negatively causing a lot of autiommune problems which can affect the developing brain.

That is a lovely theory. But your blood type theory is just that like all the rest a theory. I understand your atraction to it. We all yearn and seek for an explanation. Bit the fact remains, you have offered only one example that you claim that can not be checked on that has not been established scientifically nor have you produced any legitimate scientific studies done by legitimate scientists that state your claims. It is not an uninteresting theory, but how much legitimacy there is to it, i really have to queestion as i don’t know enough about it for 1. And for 2 i have not seen any scientific studies on it nor have i seen the connection proven between brain functioning and brain and the immune system which is largely governed by the spleen and stuffs as the immune system is predominantly white blood cells. I am sure auto immune disease/s could potentially cause some of the symptoms of ADHD. But again, its a question of legitimate scientific studies. Please present some so that i can read them and then give a more educated opinion and response because i find what you are suggesting about as likely as the pyramids in Bosnia.

You have NO idea what ggoes on behind closed doors in different families. You may think yiou are looking at good parents that doesn’t mean you are. Your view could be from a poor angle. For exmple, my family was even politically acttive on a small level. My granny held the keys to newton ma, my father is a religious leader. My father works at the family business that is actually doing ok even in this economy. It is a well known landmark in the boston area, he is also a home owner with quite a decent mini mansion out in the subburbs of boston he comes from a very good family known for it’s philanthropy and the family business is also very well kinown for it’s philanthropy. My mother runs a catalogue company that she started in 79 that is a tiny business and is having some problems but she grew it from a pile of pillows in 1 bedroom. Both my parents are disturbingly well educated. They were even foster parents in the state of mass. My dad started calling me “the kid bitch” when i was 3. When no one else was around inside the family home in privacy. By the time i was 15 i had been beaten up by this wonderful member of society quite a few times. And when i was 22 he battered me using his car as a weapon. When i was 5 he left me on 1 side of the road and ignored me for hours and finally turned around and said and i quote, “If you want me so bad come and get me.” then he turned back around again to talk to complete strangers and ignored me again. I was 5. So i went to cross the street. I looked both ways stepped out between 2 parked cars…. Fractured pelvis. Severe head trauma and lascerations. A large portion of my body was treated as a burn victim. Numerous operations 3 years of limping i couldn’t run or play. This man is still considered by everyone that knows him as charming. But the reality is, sociopaths are often charming and they learn how to blend in and often the truth only comes out behind closed doors. Broke my collarbone at 13. It took over 5 days before either of my parents would make the time to take me to the doctor. The doctor had never seen such a bad break in his life. He was horrified. But they seemed so sincere and they just explained it all… Except uhh, that they didn’t. When my sister was about 3, i took a small knife my dad gave her away afraid she would hurt herself my dad, gave it back to her while i stood there saying to him “She is *3* she is going to hurt herself with that thing…” Well next thing i know, she is screaming he is swearing and refusing to take her to the hospital and i am slapped and ordered to sew up her hand with a needle from mom’s sewing case and some thread that he had boiled for a few minutes in hot water because he couldn’t be bothered to take her to the doctor. No my dad was not a drunk. He drank about 3 times in the last 20 years. And never more than a couple glasses of wine. He is however a sociopagth. And mum had a business to run and some hobbies of her own and us kids. Too many families are like that. And though when you see them, everything looks so perfect that the state is actually putting abused children in their homes to be safe but the fact often remains far too often that what you see, is not real. And if you think such a life style and screwed up messed up family doesn’t also end up being exhibited as ADHD, then you are missing a few screws. But i think you do realize that abused children can and do often exhibit the same symptoms. Kids are sponges. They soak up what they are taught. It is really quite possibly that simple.

Personally i don’t see how blood type can really play a part in it. But i don’t know all the details of the theory i do know though that the basis is lacking in scientif study and collected imperical evidence for scientific measurement. Should that be provided i may be more interested in reading more about this theory.

Mandi, just got a minute right now but will get back to you with the info you requested.
Susan

Ok…

Wow, Mandi you certainly got fired up about this. First of all I didn’t say there was any scientific evidence that this condition is related to rh-negative blood. I just made the connection that our family has a lot of these disabilites, my family and several cousins, as a matter of fact one cousin is mildly retarted because of the rh incompatibility. I don’t know if you know anything about this condition or not, but it is when the mother is negative and the father is postive and the mother’s immune system attacks the fetus causing billirubin disposition into the central nervous system, and yes it does affect the brain, as a matter of fact it can cause death and several other things. The study of the blood is very complicated and I won’t even start to try to explain how all of this works, seeing that I don’t know that much about it, but it stands to reason that if mental retardation can be a result then other mental disabilities can happen, and then, even be carried over into next generations.
I don’t really know, and if you are looking for absolutes in anything, you will probabily be disappointed. This was just of interest to me because this was something that I knew was in my family, and if there had only been one child with this condition
I probabily would not thought much about it. I work at the health dept in a children’s clinic and we see a lot of ADHD kids and I have asked several people about their blood type and have had several say they have the rh- factor and then I have had some that just didn’t know their type. It is interesting that you make the comment to me that you haven’t seen any scientific evidence of this, but in your profile, sounds like you have no confidence in scientific studies anyway. It really doesn’t matter with us anyway being that we are already what we are but it may help people down the line to know if this is a factor. I had a very happy childhood early on and I really don’t relate mine or my sisters to disfunction to causing ours. My sister came out of the womb crying all the time and was hyper active right off the bat.I also know that families can look very good on the outside and have horror going on inside. I am 59 years old and have seen a lot, and all my side studies have been on
human and animal behavior and it is unbelievable what human beings are capable. After about the age of 10 my life was pretty unstable also and I know about some pretty rough times and it definitely leaves it’s mark. It sounds like you have more concerns with your emotional state than with the ADHD. Your comments come across as pretty angry and aggressive. You approached my question like I was trying to show this as a conclusion of some kind, and all I was doing was asking a quesion to see if anyone had noticed this in their family. The comment about the screw loose sounded pretty aggressive. I may have a screw loose, probably several, and I do believe that violence definitely affects children horribly and each child reacts differently, some don’t make it. It is called by some post, traumatic syndrome. I am so sorry you had to live like that, I have heard and read a lot of cases of abuse, and I would say that yours is right up there at the top.
Are you ADHD, if so how did you do in school? Sounds as if you haven’t had trouble with academics. I struggled in school and had a lot of difficulty in math. You mentioned that you have fatigue, and that could very well be from depression, which you are bound to have with that kind of childhood.I also feel fatigue and unmotivated, not sure if it is depression or what. I do hope
you have gotten some therapy, or are getting some now.
As far as the rh factor goes, you can just go to the web and put in rh incompatibilty and learning disabilites. Here, again don’t hold me to any scientific evidence that LD is connected, it is just fun to reasearch it.
Susan

That is funny. Saying to me, “you don’t sound like you have any faith in scientific evidence” When you can’t present any. And when you offer none.

Some claim i have ADHD some claim i don’t. No one can quite make up their mind. NIMH agrees with me. Insufficient evident of any organic evidence has been presented to validate the existance of this disorder. If NIMH didn’t agree with on that point, i would have to believe in it as irrefutable evidence had been presented. But the studies done alledgedly proving it have all been dirty. As those involved with the studies have been on a drug for ADHD for many years prior to and during said study. And then it turns out with further studying usually or so faer more or less always. The scientific evidence alledged to validate ADHD doesn’t hold up because the drugs can be connected over long term use with the evidence found in the study showing this difference or that difference caused ADHD.

Secondly, My husband, holds a PHD in theoretical physics from Helsinki university. He works now where we live in Vienna Austria. At the technical university. He has been learning because of me about how ADHD is diagnosed. It both horrifies and and causes him serious anger as it holds absolutely 0 credibility on a scientific level. If it did, the process for diagnosis in his home nation wouldn’t require more than 3 doctors all agreeing with eachother that you have ADHD. (I have never found 3 doctors in a row in agreement about me.) Even other nations have their own practices of diagnosis. The american version of ADHD diagnosis is the one based least internationally in scientific credibility. It is entirely so sayeth my husband a legitimate scientist, based in subjectivity. Even the man who named ADHD has stated it is over diagnosed by over 30% and over medicated.

I myself, am an archaeologist. So my area is humanities. However, my humanity is extremely reliant upon you got it science. I value science extremely highly, And if i saw some that a dead toad couldn’t pick apart on ADHD i would gladly look into it further and check out it’s merits and if it then held up, i would believe it in a heart beat. The fact is they can’t even agree what it is. Some say it is neurological, some say it is vitamin deficiency, some say it is a shrinkage of the frontal lobe etc, the list goes on and on. Yet evidence, doesn’t quite clearly support any of these things. And in neutral studies of healthy eating individuals who have not been on medication for years and years at the time of the study no evidence can be found to substantiate the claim of ADHD.

As for your RH blood type, symptoms of ADHD clearly do strike *some* people. But i feel it is far fewer than it is claimed for. It could be you don’t have ADHD at all and merely something that mimicks the symptoms of ADHD. Same with the rest of your family and same with many other children. Just because it presents with those symptoms doesn’t mean it is ADHD. Doesn’t even mean it is in the blood. I am sorry you have family suffering from brain damage as a result of this. I don’t know enough about it to know really how much of an effect it can and does have in the brain. As you say it clearly seems to be having some effect. But if you can point it out and say “this is from the rh negative blood.” Then according to NIMH, who has stated no evidence of a viable organic nature has been presented as of yet, and most assuredly no evidence tieing it to rh negative blood, clearly you don’t have ADHD.

As for me, i don’t do this for “fun”. I do this, because i need to save children from this nonsense. It is a cruel world and lables don’t make things better for anyone. What helps, is providing necesary changes for those who need it. A lable doesn’t change a thing. Except the perceptions of others of an individual. Fun for me, is research on what did happen to the neanderthals? Because that is as mysterious as ADHD.

In school, when i was very yyoung i did great. I was considered one of the 50 smartest kids in Boston. I was offered a special program for the gifted. That is ofcourse when i was like 12. And i couldn’t spell read or write even my own name till i was 10. So then by 12 to be accepted tot he gifted program only open to the 5o smartest kids a year in a city like boston… I can’t be too stupid. By highschool, i had discovered what interested me after i had ofcourse turned the program down because it meant 2 additional hours of homework a night. What idiot wants to do 2 more hours of homework every night? Seriously that one escapes me…. “You are so gifted please please join our special program so we can punish you with 2 extra hours of homework every night!!!” Yeh that is really gonna win converts from kids who wanna be kids. Specially the ones comfortable with their friends in their normal high level classes already “Give up your friends! Just think 2 extra hours of homework every night in exchange!!!” Anyway, by highschool i had decided whagt i wanted 2 things i really couldn’t get to the degree i wanted them in school.
1. Music education
2. Archaeology education
I also worked part time in highschool, took 4 after school music classes a week owned and cared for a horse oh and studied it both it’s body and functioning as well as riding. At that point i was cutting alot of classes. I had become really bored in school. And my lit classes were just sexist. We read 1 book my junior year that had a strong female character. She was good old Hester Prynne. And for her strength, they pinned a big red A on her. The rest of the books i wanted to burn in favor of scientific studies on ancient peoples. Junk like Ethan Frome, and as always (I have been forced to read now over 9 times from 6th grade on, The Catcher In The Rye.) And ofcourse other wonderously interesting gag me books such as Great Gatsby. etc, all of which were focused on males and males could be strong and capable and even boot leggers and still be cool. What lesson does that teach?! It’s ok for boys to sell contraband but if a woman even uses her *own* body as she sees fit she is a pariah?! Bleh, gimme a book on ancient greek egyptian or so called celtic society any day! The educations system is flawed. I have read harvard studies that show the rate of ADHD goes down something like 40% so long as children have regular half hour or more of recesse a day. Which kind of points to some other more likely culprits for ADHD than RH negative blood though again maybe, it does cause the symptoms of adhd. But the symptoms of and the disorder are not exactly the same thing. There are over 400 documented things that are *legitimate* that can appear to be ADHD. It is not uncommon then for ADHD to be way over diagnosed. As for you if you can point to anything and say “this is the reason why i have ADHD.” Then you can’t have it. Nimh says so.

I have a great deal of faith in science. I also have a great deal of faith in history as it does appear to repeat itself. If you don’t believe me i suggest you get a degree in archaeology and study up on your history and trust me anyone with half a particle of functional brain mass (and you are obviously smart enough to think for yourself so, that means you have atleast if not more than that half a particle even if i don’t agree with you.) you will likely see what i mean by history repeats itself. And your position on ADHD may change slightly as you learn how humans evolved and developed and how society evolved and developed. And where society is now as far as the brain has evolved where as the culture we are living is not in line with our current development. Especially in the case of children. The ones most frequently diagnosed with ADHD.

As far as science goes, it is constantly changing what it says is the truth about something, and there are so many variables, and I have just about come to the conclusion that there are no absolutes about anything.
Secondly, I didn’t say I had ADHD, I said that I am mildly ADD and have problems with math and directions.
My son, my sister, my mother, and my grandson have ADHD, at least the classic symptoms, here again who knows, but my son was diagnosed as a child as ADHD. He took the meds for a short while and didn’t seem to help so I stopped them. Life is such a mystery and so complicated I don’t know how anybody can be sure of anything. My sister is dyslexic but is very successful business woman and is very accomplished, so I guess the bottom line is learning how to compensate for our disabilites. She got more love and attention than any of us as a young child, being the baby, but later as a young teen she was pretty much left to fend for herself and just didn’t let anything hold her back, basically self taught. The brain is very complicated and there can be so many disorders. It seems now anyone who is a little on the crazy side they say “bi-polar” is the cause, so who knows. As far as me saying the the rh factor is the cause of these disorders, I just didn’t say that at all. I simply ask a question if anybody else had made the correlation, just a simple question not intended to indicate there were any scientific proof of such a thing, never ever said that.
It just happens that we have this in our family and since there were so many family members with one or the other of these disabilites and the fact that my brother had positive blood type and him being the only child out of four that didn’t have any of these problems, nor his children, just seemed like a coincedence. And, yes it does affect the brain when the mother developes antibodies against a negative child, and can cause several problems including retardation and I am sure different levels of mental disablilies. Simply making conjecture. I am not a scientist, although I am fasinated with science, don’t think I am going to prove anything scientific, just asking a question to see if anyone else had noticed the rh thing. My MAIN concern at this point is that my grandson be in a school that will bring out his strengths and that he doesn’t get all the bad consequences that go along with this condition, like getting a very low self esteem. My sister was so bad she couldn’t stop talking and creating havoc everywhere she went, that nobody wanted to have her around, she has a very low self esteem. She is so intense and wound so tight you can only take her in very small doses. She has severe impulse control problems and this has caused her a lot of problems. They are taking my grandson to the Marcus center in Atlanta to have him evaluated. They deal with developmental problems, like autism, touretes (sp?)syndrome ADHD and some other things, very lengthy
evaluation. Mandi, how old are you, and do you have any children?

Ich bin swansig acht jahre alt. Or, in non german, I am 28 years old. I also am dyslexic. Would you like me to repeat this in spanish, finnish, swedish, dutch, norwegian (cuz it is essentially more or less swedish spelled a little funny) Irish gaelic, polish or shall i just put it in ancient egyptian hieroglyphs? I am fairly fluent in over 6 languages. Pretty stinkin impressive for someone who is dyslexic. I could also turn to korean as well if none of the above languages are sufficient for you? Presently i study ancient egypt though at the moment i am working for a class on evolution on a paper about cave art in western europe. Presently i live in Vienna Austria. I was brought up in a hippy commune in which we had a small corner apartment that was closed off for our use. It was a zen budhist philosophy school. In my life time i have lived with musicians of the boston pops (a violinist who used to tune his violin based on what made me cry as a baby. I have perfect pitch.) The 78th patriarch of the chogey order, as well as well educated dr.s and students and professors at Hardvard MIT and BU and people from all over the world. And every walk of life you could imagine. Since then i have studied and traveled the world. I hate my father because he was a moster. Today i am very happily married presently i reside in Vienna austria in the beautiful 8th district in a lovely apartment with my dogs cats husbands and cockatoo. Thhey are my children. Though many years ago back when i lived at home i haed another child. To this day that little one still calls me mommy. Because i was there after we moved from the commune and while we lived in the commune she was always my child in every way that matters. I protected her i fed her i bathed her, i read her stories and took care of her. I met with her teachers i did everything a human can do to care for a child. My little sister. And to our mother’s dismay to this day she calls me mom. Now she is just done with college herself and is on her own for the first time in NYC. You can’t imagine how proud i was of her when she graduated with Obama giving the speech at her graduation. She is a good kid. But i can’t take the credit for that. I was 5 and a half when my mother pushed her out of the birth canal and covered in slime into my arms to take care of. So please understand, i was a miserable mother. Children raising children is a poor idea. But i did the best i could and the best i knew how to do and she turned out ok. I did better than my parents did thats for sure. So you ask if i am a mother, yes i am a mother. I became a mother when i was 5. And any parent who does such an evil thing to their 5 year old i would gladly tell them a few things and hopefully they would get locked up for the pure evil in their cold hearts. Because no child should have to be a mother.

Yes, something is clearly going on with your family. And yes science is constantly changing. And yes i am constantly reading about the changes and keeping my eye on them. I am very aware. What ever is going on in your family apparently must be linked to your RH negative blood type. Seems a likely culprit. However, ADD has ceased to be a valid diagnosis. now anyone with ADD falls under the heading of ADHD. So they are more or less interchangeable now. And isn’t it interesting how one day all the people who behave a little different have one thing but when a new class of drugs comes out every other person has something else? It’s like these fad diagnosies. Seriously do your research on the industry and you will see some shocking and twisted things. “No one wanted to have her around.” Ofcourse her self esteem went into the dump. Oh dear…. Don’t get me started there… Anyway, even in the case of the few legitimately diagnosed as having the symptoms of ADHD it is possible something really is going on. But they have yet to present science on the issue rather than science fiction. When they do, and when ever they have i have viewed it as a scientist and done additional research to verify their findings to see if they held up. And they never have which is why NIMH agrees there is nothing organic found and presented that is ADHD. And if they can’t even prove the defect it seems assinine to me to medicate young children with these medications that can potentially mess with brain development while their child brains are still in a state of development. To me, it sounds irrational and irresponsible rather than like “ligitimate medicine.”

If you can point to your RH blood type and say it has given you ADHD, then you are sorely mistaken. But not because*I* say so, but because NIMH has said nothing has yet been presented to even prove the existance of this disorder.

I am sorry you and your family have had problems. I have had plenty of problems of various sorts of my own. I wish you all the best, but please, don’t say it is ADDD/ADHD when you can point to RH negative blood as a culprit. Because if you can, then according to NIMH what you have can clinically NOT be ADHD/ADD and it is misleading to state that it is what you have.
Best of luck to you and your family i hope all the problems and issues for everyone get resolved.

From what I understand ADHD is attention deficeit along with hyperactivity as being the HD standing for hyperactivity disorder, which I do not have at all. Both my son, grandson and sister all do have, and I mean true hyperactivity, being that they can not sit still for a minute. Cannot sit to read, sew, watch tv or anything else. I repeat, I am not here to educate anyone at all, repeat, I am not trying to teach anybody anything, merely discussion. Sounds like you need your teaching degree, since you know so much, actually you should write a book and inform the world of the facts of mental disorders and disabilites.
I really don’t give a rip about which I have, to tell you the truth.

Yes, often they sayy ADD is the absense of hyper activity. However, as a formal diagnosis that is gone. Now everyone is diagnosed as ADHD. Which is sort of one of my problems with it. Because there are plenty with too short to be entirely normal or healthy attention spans. Like me. And apparently like you.

And when we are adults, there is something worth worrying about if our attention spans have not developed as they should. It is worth looking into. The problems i have with that are, simple. I don’t see how calling someone a name or giving them a lable is explains anything away or provides an excuse. More than that, as no one really has a good understanding of it, giving someone a label does not assist with symptoms or treat them in any way. I have found, that all it does is destroy people’s confidence and make them feel bad about themselves and it follows them for life.l

The problem with diagnosing ADHD/ADDis that there is no organic test for it. Even the man who named it has declared it over diagnosed in over 30% of cases. People can read whatever they want into a person’s behavior. And if we over analyze anything enough in a “search” to find something especially while using a system that omits all evidence as a standard practice that might point us in the opposite direction from what we are looking for. For example, a letter from a teacher is often used as “evidence” in evaluation. The problem is, you can have 30 letters from other teachers indicating that you DON’T have it. But those are *usually* omitted. They don’t interest the one giving the test. Technically the child i do believe does not have to be observed or interviewed just the parents who have been filled by the school with the fear of god about this newest fad diagnosis of ADHD/ADD. Suddenly, they over analyze every breath their kid has taken since infancy to try to find it. People have a tendency of seeing what they want to see rather than what is. If you read enough into anything it can seem like something else entirely. Which is why in a system so weighted towards the finding of ADHD/ADD it would seem to me that some organic proof be be presented so it can then be tested for in the cases where a child or adult seems to demonstrate the symptoms. They never asked my family why i always had bruises they just ignored that and assumed i was a kid being a kid. Well i wasn’t. I have been to numerous child experts and all of them missed the obvious and tell tale signs of abuse because they would rather declare everybody who walked through their door ADHD/ADD. There is no balance or over sight of the system which revolves around a lack of empiracle evidence. And is instead based on over analyysed subjective evidence of so called behaviors. Children who get no recess most of the year and no time to be kids ofcourse demonstrate such behaviors. They are children it is where they are in their development. When did that become a “disorder”. Oh right! That happened when the big pharma corps started making money off marketing dangerous meds designed for adults to terrified parents who had discovered that parenting is a bit harder than they would like to turn their typical children being children into zombies!

The USA uses over 90% of the world’s ritalin supply every year. So says the UN. They have issued statements even about the over medicating of american children./ In some states schools receive money from drug companiews for every child on a medication. “experts” make sometimes 10s of thousands to hundreds of thousands off pharmaceutical company so called “speaking engagements” etc which congress atleast some of them are trying to make public. Plus all the yummy food they get taken out for and fancy gifts bought for them. Eli Lily Just payed out a massive amount like none the world has ever seen before in law suit settlements. And they are not alone. They discount and stop studies that don’t make their drugs look good. They employ sex crazed idiots to run things for them (i forget which pharmaceutical that was but it was a recent case i was lucky enough to read the actual court deposition.) In which the guy admitted to sleeping with several of the scientists involved with a drug which they were being sued about. And there he was, having kinky sex with all the scientists involved buying like a prositute spin for the new drug. It’s sick…

Then there is sicker still the medication thing. No other nation has their kids hopped up on pills the way the usa does. The rest of them give their kids recess and some small freedoms and choose to recognize children are children. They aren’t supposed to be born tiny little fully developed adults sitting still, zombies. I have traveled the whole world. I have never seen a nation of more self obsessed parents in all my life. Most parents say it is all about their kids and from their perspective they make every sacrifice for their children but the reality is, they really don’t.; Atleast not in the USA. Or they have a very strange idea about what “:every” means in that sentence. Because the women and men of most of the world who become parents go leagues further for their children. Children’s brains are developing until they are in their mid 20s. Not enough is known to feed them pills that only as studies show really have an effect for about 3 years. However, the lasting effect of such long term use such as for example Ritalin literally shrink the frontal lobe by upto 5%. (the frontal lobe is like the self editor.) And in a brain 5% seems a big thing. And if you consider that over 80% of those with so called ADD and ADHD are on drugs for it, when no conclusive evidence has been presented that even verifies it’s existance on an organic level in the usa (though that is vastly different in europe though in the UK the rate is rising far too fast to be healthy, still something like 20 to 30% of ADHD/ADD children are medicated here in Vienna verses over there in the usa where 90% of them are. ) Its a big difference. I wonder why it is. Oh right there are people making a fortune off it. Who cares that for example ritalin affects the dopamine system in children the same way as cocaine only enhanced and more strongly. That sounds like a real healthy drug. Countless long term side effects. Many of which haven’t been found yet. And as a society we are sick to allow this to be done to our children. But ofcourse whatever keeps the money flo0wing to the pharma corps can’t be bad oh no. Did you know today you can even have your *infant* diagnosed with ADHD or ADD if it “cries” even if it cries to real pain. That is pretty much the sole indication of ADHD/ADD in infants. What sickens me is what the hell is it supposed to do? Explain itself in 5 syllable words at the age of 4 months??? ADHD and ADD are really just new words meaning “children with the typical child brain that pharmaceutical companies want to take advantage of for proffit.) You see, if you expect an adult from a child and then declare it disordered or sick when you don’t get an adult when you have a child something is wrong with society not with the childrne in question. Drugging was supposed to be according to the guy who named ADHD/ADD in 1980 a “last resort.” Today it is *FIRST* and *ONLY* resort.

ADHD and ADD can not yet be explained scientifically. There has been no evidence of an organic nature that has yet been presented for them (RH negative blood is an organic matter.) ADHD/ADD are alledgedly just these so called behaviors that come about inexplicably that *may* be related to genetics ofcourse there is no scientific evidence of that either. No one can point to which are of the brain it is or what chemicals are out of whack. No one can indicate for a fact that it is the electrical impulses or show how they or any other thing is different in the ADHD/ADD brain as opposed to the normal brain. Studies have proven the drugs used on those with ADHD work exactly the same on people without it. There is no defect in structure known to exist there is nothing but behaviors that have been over analysed to speak for it. But based on that and the large sums of money changing hands multitudes of children are being medicated and in a sense robbed of their childhoods.

You can tie your symptoms to a cause. That means in accordance with the experts and those that govern this science that you can NOT have ADHD/ADD. As ADHD and ADD, are NOT explicable on an organic level which your symptoms are. That doesn’t make your issues less worthy or less than or in any way detract from the hard time you are having. What it does, is make it very clear you do not have ADD. It also shows that there are numerous things medically (over 400) that are organic that can be found when searched for using real science rather than subjective pseudo science that can cause ADD/ADHD like symptoms. But that doesn’t make it ADD or ADHD. That makes it whatever it is. And the problem with your post was that you connected ADD/ADHD to RH negative blood. There is no science proving that is what it is and therefore, it was misleading though unintentionally to people reading it who come here looking for facts. Everyone can tell you are a good person with the best of intentions. But that is just the whole thing about ADHD/ADD. It is simply an inexplicable behavior set. (a very very loose one) and behaviors are all about interpretation and when you look for something you typically find it especially when you refuse to acknowledge as standard procedure evidence of the opposite of what you are looking for. Something is going on for you.; I am sorry you have such difficulties and difficulties in your family. But ADHD/ADD has nothing to do with it though you may have the symptoms they are tied to something organic so according to NIMH and many other expert groups etc you simply can not have ADD or ADHD.

I don’t want to be a teacher. I don’t know everyything. What i want to do is to stop any future children from going through what i did courtesy of this field of pseudo science. And medicating for nothing. Which can also cause various LD and even worse brain abnormalities etc in adults. There are 2 sides to the story of ADHD/ADD. The one that pays alot of people alot of money and messes up alot of kids and helps a few. Or the other one. The one that i lived through. Accuracy is important. Best of luck.

Excuse me, I didn’t realize this forum was for people who had hard core scientific facts about learning disabilites, I thought it was a forum for discussion about such things. I don’t think anybody knows all there is to know and especially can say they know absolutely sure they know what causes this condition, but I definitely would say it can be inherited. I can’t believe that you think it is an absolute that it is caused entirely by a child’s enviornment. I totally agree with you that our school systems are way off balance and do not think children should have to sit all day as in prison and have these rigid assignments.
I think learning should be fun. I would personally like to swing the doors open to all schools and tell them to run for their life. As far as labeling children with any condition, I agree with that also, but some people may feel differenly about that being that some people feeling different about how they learn from the norm makes them feel stupid and having a name for it is a comfort. I know when I went for years with hypo thyroid and was so extremely tired all the time, people thought I was just unmotivated and lazy, but finally getting a diagnoses made me feel so much better knowing there was a reason. I do not believe that ADHD is caused by someone’s upbringing, no matter what you or anybody else says. Show me a web site that shows me the scientific evidence that you speak of, I would love to read this. I’ll say this AGAIN I never said that negative blood caused ADHD, never. Is this site only for scientists, and experts on this subject, and what degree do you hold on this?
I would like to see this information that you keep speaking on that says that it can’t be organic.

1. I didn’t say ADD/ADHD could *ONLY* be the product of being raised in a messed up environment. What i *DID* say, is often the symptoms of such are quite similar if not the same. Perhaps someperhaps even alot of those suffering from ADD/ADHD *DID* grow up in screwed up environments. But certainly far from all.

2. There is a harvard study done on the recess issue.

3. I NEVER said it couldn’t be organic. I said after over 20 years of looking for an organic reason for it as of yet NONE has been presented to the satisfaction of NIMH. And there is NO organic tests for it. Which is why it is called a disorder rather than a mental illness. And if they have been looking for 20 years + and *STILL* have *NOT* found anything conclusive or even sufficiently suggestable that it even exists on an organic level to go around telling parents that is genetic, is to my mind fraud. What evidence do they have of that? They will say plenty… And i have said “ok show it to me please so that i may evluate it?” But all they have to offer is their good word and bank accounts filled with pharmaceutical corporation money to back up these claims.

It *MIGHT* be organic. But if it is, i have trouble believing it is related solely and specifically to rh negative blood. But i have doubts as they have now been looking for it for over 20 years and still come up empty. No one can even agree about what it is. Oh it is a chemical imbalance! Oh wait no it isn’t it is the electricity of the brain that functions defectively! Oh it is a shrunken frontal lobe! etc… And it is genetic! I have been searching now for *years* for someone or something to present some conclusive proof of any of these claims and i find no one offering anything that qualifies as legitimate science. My idea of legitimate science is something that can be measured in a quantifiable way. Empirical evidence. of gravity and magnetics etc, but none for ADD/ADHD. And based on the lack of presented affirmed conclusive evidence. So yes, at this point i do believe it is a range of factors that are of a more societal and social variety that cause legitimate ADHD/ADD. How can with no conclusive evidence to the contrary but plenty of evidence that gtowing up in a messed up environment, being stuck without recess, not being allowed to simply be a child while a child etc can cause these symptoms? And the so called symptoms are ALL they go by and evaluate. And they analyze and over analyze behavior until they find them in many cases so that they can write a prescription and get money from drug companies. I am not alone on this one. Senator Grassley actually agrees with me. Too much money is changing hands between pharma companies and mental health practitioners for it all to be legit. Even Chadd is on the pay roll of big pharms these days. What is sadder is that NAMI is now also.

I would reccommend that you look up Dr. Breggin and Dr. Boughman on this subject. Dr. Breggin wrote a book a long while ago called Talking Back To Ritalin among other things.There are countless lawsuits against pharma companies these days, don’t believe me ask Ely Lily who just payed out i do believe it was the biggest one in the history of pharmacology or something. Check out groupls like Able Child and The Wildest Colts (though the latter tends to be a bit ummm more extreme even than i am in my anti drug views.) There is a time and a place for everything. If adults have trouble paying attention and sitting still once the brain is fully developed and nothing is findable on abn organic level, than the fully informed adult has every right to put any substance they wish into their body to help themselves. So long as it is legal. Bit children who’s brains are still developing only in the rarest of rare cases should they be drugged. As it can screw with brain development. Which isn’t fair to do to them as they are children and can not give their free and informed consent to sex acts they can not give their free informed consent to medication, knowing all the risks understanding everything in the same way an adult would. And i don’t feel that parents should necesarily in many cases be making these choices. Especially since most parents make them due to the terror that is inspired by the mental health practitioner seeking additional money from drug companies. There are school systems in America who get a certain amount in umm “donations” from every medicated child in their schools directly from the drug companies. A large portion of ADD and ADHD is simple fraud. Even the man who named it says so. And he also says it is disgustingly over medicated. The UN, says America uses 90% + of the world’s ritalin supply each year. Pull your blinders off and see this for what it is. People are getting rich human lives are being destroyed childrens drugs are being raped by chemicals that are not helping them and causing in the long term more harm than good while there are a select few having sex with the scientists evaluating the drugs being produced and making truck loads of money misleading the population for proffit. Don’t be a patsy!

3. Hyper thyroid is NOT the same as ADD/ADHD as *EVIDENCE* exists. Diagnosis is not solely based on some over analysis of the so called behaviors. There is an organic test for it. Infact, there are over 400 different things (i am guessing including rh negative blood) that can and do cause the ADHD/ADD behaviors. But that doesn’t make them ADD/ADHD. That makes them what ever it is that they actually are. I am sure your issues of an organic nature are very hard to live with. Saying they cause ADD like symptoms and behavior is a totally legitimate statement. Saying they *ARE* ADD/ADHD, is entirely illegitimate. But not because i say so but because the governing bodies say so.

ADHD Can Be Mistaken for Other Problems
Parents and teachers can miss the fact that children with symptoms of inattention have the disorder because they are often quiet and less likely to act out. They may sit quietly, seeming to work, but they are often not paying attention to what they are doing. They may get along well with other children, compared with those with the other subtypes, who tend to have social problems. But children with the inattentive kind of ADHD are not the only ones whose disorders can be missed. For example, adults may think that children with the hyperactive and impulsive subtypes just have emotional or disciplinary problems. (NIMH)http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/what-are-the-symptoms-of-adhd-in-children.shtml

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/what-causes-adhd.shtml
They have NO idea what causes it. They make claims but provide no link to studies. As an organization such as theirs is they need to provide the studies so that those of us with a scientific background can do more than simply take their word for it.

ADHD. ADHD symptoms usually appear early in life, often between the ages of 3 and 6, and because symptoms vary from person to person, the disorder can be hard to diagnose. Parents may first notice that their child loses interest in things sooner than other children, or seems constantly “out of control.” Often, teachers notice the symptoms first, when a child has trouble following rules, or frequently “spaces out” in the classroom or on the playground. Ages 3 to 6??? Please, it isn’t even a legitimate diagnosis though legally till 7 so why are all these people declaring it between *3* and 6? Especially when in Boston a child died not long ago at 2 from a diagnosis of ADHD and alot of drugs? http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/attention-deficit-hyperactivity-disorder/how-is-adhd-diagnosed.shtml
Oh no your *3* year old doesn’t like to wait their turn something must be wrong with them. That is called being 3. There are even infants today diagnosed for ADD/ADHD, who cry because they are in pain.
From above. No single test can diagnose a child as having ADHD. Instead, a licensed health professional needs to gather information about the child, and his or her behavior and environment.

http://www.ritalindeath.com/ADHD.htm

“The exact etiology of ADHD is unknown, although
neurotransmitter deficits, genetics, and perinatal complications have been implicated. ADHD
tends to run in families. Between 10 and 35 percent of children with ADHD have a first-degree
relative with past or present ADHD.”-Nimh

Diagnosing infants!
http://www.articlesbase.com/adhd-articles/more-than-a-handful-identifying-adhd-symptoms-in-your-baby-748119.html
Babies may have colic and may cry alot and so that might mean they are ADHD/ADD. Uhhh Or more than likely it means their tiny widdle tummys hurt, And they are in pain and discomfort, and on account that they are uhmm INFANTS, they can’t explain this fact yet and therefore have no other tool at their dispense besides howling….. What should they do? Explain in a vocabulary that would make a PHD from harvard proud at age oh 6 months old that they have a tummy ache? When did pain in the stomach become a sign of a potential brain abnormality anyway? All babies crry. Its part of being a baby… And thent hey hit 6 and mommy and daddy hear they don’t like to share their toys in class and cant sit still for 8 hours straight in school and are acting like CHILDREN because uhh they ARE children. And in light of no other outlet they run down the hallways and the teachers are sooooo frusterated they don’t get payed enough to deal with this stuff… So ledts go see the wizard! oooh i mean the expert. And the expert who gets money from drug companies for saying so says “This child has ADD! I am shocked you didn’t notice it sooner! This is genbetic! This is all your fault mom and dad! You passed on bad genes! Now do the right thing and rug this baby up good! Otherwise it will grow up to be defective and messed up and have a horrible life!” Its a sick and twisted system in which the child is the victim.

I am sorry for your struggle with ADD/ADHD. But there is NO conclusive evidence that it exists. Therefore if you can link it to something conclusive then you are not suffering from ADD. You are suffering from ADD like symptoms. And by all means keep posting whatever floats your boat hey? But don’t pass off your issue as what it isn’t which is ADD/ADHD. Because it is grounded in something legitimate. Thazt doesn’t mean that the symptoms are’t terrible and irritating and that they don’t cause you problems. it just means that you can differentiate between an actual issue and what is atleast bordering on a myth as no conclusive evidence has yet been presented.

Hi Susan, you are absolutely corect with your observations. It has been proved already that RH- persons are more likely to have a mental illness within the bi-polar, schitzo, ADHD spectrum. Unfortunately the subject is a hot potato that RH+ persons don’t like talking about. Recently I blood tested all of my close family members and girlfriend, we were all A-. Then I discovered that my ex girlfriend was A-. Then I blood tested my sons friends, they were all RH-. There is a silent biological war going on out there, check it out lol it is very interesting
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