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I am wondering if someone can help me in teaching my 6 yo profoundly deaf son to read (he doesn’t have an implant). We are h.s. and I am just wondering if there is some ‘program’ for teaching reading out there that I can use for him. Or do I just con’t trying to teach him words by sight as I have been doing. How will he decode words when he learns how to read? I have been making a ring with the words that he knows looped on it thru a hole I punched. He has soooo many words that he knows, but how do I put that into ‘reading’? Do you have a suggested list of books I could use?
TIA for all your help!!
Jan

Submitted by Anonymous on Wed, 01/16/2002 - 7:23 PM

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Hi, Jan,

I tried to reach you on the other site. If your son is unable to have an implant and he is profoundly deaf, he will basically be a sight reader. Generally, these students finish high school with a third to fifth grade reading level. Children who have cochlear implants (as young as possible) and proper auditory-verbal therapy can learn to decode and go much farther in reading because they can decode new multi-syllable words.

The reading program (sight) created for deaf children is called Reading Milestones and was sold by Pro-Ed (www.proedinc.com) the last time I looked. Feel free to email me if you have other questions.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 01/18/2002 - 1:57 AM

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Reading Milestones is still sold by Pro-Ed and they have considerably expanded it too.

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 01/18/2002 - 7:35 PM

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JAN! don’t listen to predictions that sound dreadfully demoralizing…I worked with a guy years ago whose mother ignored all she was told and taught him lipreading ‘ANYWAY’ even though she was told ‘he’ll never make it in the hearing world’! HE DID…of course, we lost touch cuz the competition woo-d him away with offers of more cash and perks — HE WAS A district rep for an inventory financing company — took people skills, talking, reading and Math and he was a great guy to boot.

Post your question at www.dyslexiatalk.com. We have a teacher of the deaf on that board who is pretty active — she’s also pretty dyslexic, so she will have lots of techniques for you. And LOTS of her 5th graders are reading at or above Gr. 5 level…
best wishes from an arrogant mom who only listens to advice from people who expect LIMITLESS potential from EVERY child…we can expect miracles even while we deal with reality…

Submitted by Anonymous on Fri, 01/18/2002 - 8:40 PM

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Elizabeth, if you were referring to my post, I quoted very well known statistics of the AVERAGE reading scores of profoundly deaf high school graduates. Certainly there are children on both ends of the spectrum, highly gifted (and otherwise advantaged) who beat the averages and those who are below average (and other disadvantages) who attain much lower level reading skills. Since when is factual reality “dreadfully demoralizing”?

I have taught hearing impaired children for many years by the way, so I can tell you from personal experience that the published reports are correct…and I have had children who beat the averages and those who did not. Besides the ability level and motivation of the child, parent involvement was another strong factor. I have known parents who actually went and got a degree in ed. of the deaf to better help their own children. But without exception, children who were taught through oral methods including speech, speechreading, auditory training, auditory verbal therapy, etc., attained higher language and reading skills.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 01/19/2002 - 6:49 PM

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Jan:

I am wondering if someone can help me in teaching my 6 yo profoundly deaf son to read (he doesn’t have an implant). We are h.s. and I am just wondering if there is some ‘program’ for teaching reading out there that I can use for him. Or do I just con’t trying to teach him words by sight as I have been doing. How will he decode words when he learns how to read? I have been making a ring with the words that he knows looped on it thru a hole I punched. He has soooo many words that he knows, but how do I put that into ‘reading’? Do you have a suggested list of books I could use?

I am certified in Deaf Education and in Special Education. I taught the hearing impaired for 11 years, from 1974-1983. Now I teach mostly LD students in a resource room. I was trained in an aural-oral approach and at that time I used the Northhampton Speech Chart to teach developmental speech to our students. Now, interestingly enough the LiPS program by Lindamood-Bell also uses this same chart to teach dyslexic children phonemic awareness skills. When I took the LiPS training, I was pleasantly surprised to find out similar some of it was to my Deaf-Ed training. The students are taught how sounds are made, where they originate (tongue placement, lip movements, air flow etc.)

Does your son have any residual hearing at all with the use of hearing aids? What communication system does he utilize? Speech-lipreading, total communication? My suggestion to you would be to call the Lindamood-Bell company and ask them if they have had any success working with the hearing impaired. Lindamood does so much work with language processing, that it may be worth a try.

Good luck.

Marilyn

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 01/19/2002 - 7:55 PM

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Hi, Marilyn,

I thought it was interesting that I also started out with the Northampton Charts! I think that “code” is so much easier than the IPA. I have talked to the people at Lindamood-Bell very recently, and they are running a research project with hearing impaired children (don’t know levels of loss) right now, but it won’t be completed until after the school year is over. Then it make take awhile before the results come out. I am almost certain that it will be good for H.I children (those with residual hearing and cochlear implants particularly). I plan to get Visualizing and Vebalizing in the near future to use for comprehension with some of my students as well. I am also exploring Fast ForWord Language because my child has an auditory processsing disorder, and I think it might be useful with H.I. children as well. However, the cost is prohibitive for use in the public schools, unfortunately. It could be done at home, though, if this child had enough hearing to use it.

It appears that much of the work done to improve instruction for dyslexic children (multi-sensory structured language programs) would be of more benefit to hearing impaired children than some of the things designed for hearing impaired specifically. I think the dylexia research has understood the importance of phonemic awareness as the foundation of good reading skills. So naturally, it is of utmost importance for hearing impaired children to either have amplification that brings them into hearing within the speech range or else have a cochlear implant if the loss is profound with little or no residual hearing. I understand that there is a small percentage of children who may have some reason they can’t have an implant. Perhaps that is the case with the original poster’s child or perhaps he has too much hearing for an implant.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 01/19/2002 - 8:07 PM

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What about children who have no residual hearing at all—who are truly totally deaf? I realize their number is small, but they do exist. Would such a method work with them, as well, or would another method be needed?

Yours truly,
Kathy G.

Janis C. wrote:
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> Hi, Marilyn,
>
> I thought it was interesting that I also started out with the
> Northampton Charts! I think that “code” is so much easier
> than the IPA. I have talked to the people at Lindamood-Bell
> very recently, and they are running a research project with
> hearing impaired children (don’t know levels of loss) right
> now, but it won’t be completed until after the school year is
> over. Then it make take awhile before the results come out. I
> am almost certain that it will be good for H.I children
> (those with residual hearing and cochlear implants
> particularly). I plan to get Visualizing and Vebalizing in
> the near future to use for comprehension with some of my
> students as well. I am also exploring Fast ForWord Language
> because my child has an auditory processsing disorder, and I
> think it might be useful with H.I. children as well. However,
> the cost is prohibitive for use in the public schools,
> unfortunately. It could be done at home, though, if this
> child had enough hearing to use it.
>
> It appears that much of the work done to improve instruction
> for dyslexic children (multi-sensory structured language
> programs) would be of more benefit to hearing impaired
> children than some of the things designed for hearing
> impaired specifically. I think the dylexia research has
> understood the importance of phonemic awareness as the
> foundation of good reading skills. So naturally, it is of
> utmost importance for hearing impaired children to either
> have amplification that brings them into hearing within the
> speech range or else have a cochlear implant if the loss is
> profound with little or no residual hearing. I understand
> that there is a small percentage of children who may have
> some reason they can’t have an implant. Perhaps that is the
> case with the original poster’s child or perhaps he has too
> much hearing for an implant.
>
> Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 01/19/2002 - 8:21 PM

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Kathy,

That is a good question. Those are the kids who will have the most difficulty learning to read since they will basically be dependent on sight reading. And I’m sure that anyone here who has read the reading research knows that this will pretty much limit how far a child will be able to go with reading.

The good news for those children is that most of them CAN have a cochlear implant. They are now able to implant children under a year of age and that alows the child to have a good opportunity to develop speech and language at an almost normal level (with auditory-verbal therapy, of course). The implants are improving all the time. I might have had doubts 10 years ago, but the implant technology has really improved since then.

There is a free video called “Dreams Spoken Here” that people can order who are interested in oral deaf education: http://www.oraldeafed.org/

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 01/19/2002 - 9:38 PM

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but maybe a public forum is better to solicit more varied responses.

I have been thinking about how to teach a profoundly deaf child to decode. Wouldn’t it be possible to teach kinesthetic/symbol relationships as a substitute for sound/symbol relationships? I was thinking that if one had a kinesthetic representation of the 70 or so phonemes taught in Reading Reflex, one could teach decoding of words. I was specifically thinking of using either mouth positions a la Lindamood Bell (so the child could mouth the phonemes being taught, as a substitute for saying them) or hand positions — something along the lines of the hand positions used for the alphabet, except I think these would have to be extended and modified to be based on phonemes rather than letters of the alphabet. For a mapping exercise, then, the child could mouth the phonemes while writing them, or write with the right hand and kinesthetically “mouth” the phonemes with the non-writing hand.

It just seems to me that the approach used in Reading Reflex could be developed and modified for deaf children, if there were only a system for representing the phonemes clearly in a kinesthetic form.

Once a child could decode, reading could provide additional inputs for language development, which is always a problem for profoundly deaf children.

Or am I bouncing completely off the walls here? I have no experience working with deaf children, so this is pure theorizing on my part…..

Mary

Submitted by Anonymous on Sat, 01/19/2002 - 10:56 PM

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Mary,

I understand what you are trying to say, but those phonemes are auditorially received. The written code is based on spoken language. I don’t think anything can substitute for the auditory channel.Although, those other senses are definitely used in teaching deaf children language.

However, you are not far off base with your idea to tie in tactile and kinesthetic to increase spoken langauge ability in trying to teach a child to speak and understand spoken language. The Cued Speech method has hand signals that are done close to the face when a person speaks to “cue” a child to which sounds are being produced (helps differentiate between sounds that look the same on the lips like /p/, /b/, etc.). Deaf children CAN be taught to speak. It takes extreme commitment on the part of the family and the child and intensive, long-term therapy.

Those that think profoundly deaf people can get along fine with only lipreading do not realize that only a fourth to a third of English words can be lipread. Most people do to a certain extent lipread naturally. The oral approach would teach lipreading (speechreading), auditory training, and the visual/kinesthetic side of speech production. The auditory-verbal approach concentrates more on the auditory because the feeling is that the auditory sense will develop more strongly if the child is not dividing his attention between so many senses. Obviously, once a child has gained the understanding of the auditory signal, so to speak, he can then use all senses. It is all very interesting.

But basically, those that are taught to speak and understand auditory information are the strongest readers. And really, the cochlear implant technology is changing the prospects of most profpundly deaf kids. It really is a miracle I never dreamed I’d see in my lifetime! A little 4 year old boy I teach will be evaluated soon for a cochlear implant. His hearing has worsened to a level that they are considering the implant. In the past, when the children got them at an older age, the progress was slower and the potential less. But now, the younger children have made amazing progress in gaining auditory and verbal skills! My real dream would be that one day, there would be no need for teachers of the deaf! And that IS a possible dream!

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/20/2002 - 12:59 AM

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Janis:

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This is very exciting news! I can’t wait to read the results! I wonder what it would be like to teach a combination class of both dyslexic and hearing impaired children??? Since both have deficits in language processing, the instruction could be very similar for both. And while I love teaching LD children, I truly miss teaching the hearing impaired.

I plan to get Visualizing and Vebalizing in
> the near future to use for comprehension with some of my
> students as well. I am also exploring Fast ForWord Language
> because my child has an auditory processsing disorder, and I
> think it might be useful with H.I. children as well.

V/V would be great for hearing impaired children, I would think. I’m sure if the amplification was adequate enough Fast ForWord Language would be good for our hearing impaired population, We have been using FF in our school since last spring. I happen to be one of the coaches. On Tuesday, maybe I will go through some of the demos again to see if it could possibly work. We do have a hearing impaired student in our school, who has been using Earobics quite successfully. However, I think that she only has a moderate loss.

Marilyn

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/20/2002 - 1:40 AM

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Marilyn,

I don’t think I mentioned this to you before, but I have also taught LD over the years, so we have a lot in common. Where did you get your deaf ed. training? I went to Converse College in SC in the mid-70’s.

“Since both have deficits in language processing, the instruction could be very similar for both.”

I agree with this very much. And as you said, the mild to moderate H.I kids especially need about the same instruction as the dyslexic children. I am more or less itinerant, although all my students are located at two schools. They range from high frquency loss (normal in speech range) to moderate to severe to profound. They are all in other classes and I pull them to work individually. Because of my recent exploration back into dyslexia (it has been several years since I officially taught LD) since my own child has been diagnosed with APD, I discovered that the latest research shows that most dyslexic children have a phonological processing problem. I had always suspected that, so it is wonderful they are finally unlocking doors for dyslexic children. But that immediately made me think of the parallel with H.I. children. So everything I am considering for my own child, I am weighing the benefits for use with my students. I have just received Phono-Graphix materials to try with my child, and I do plan on using it with my kids with less severe losses.

“We have been using FF in our school since last spring.”

Awesome! What an opportunity for those children to have access to it at school! I hesitate to pay the $850 not knowing whether it will really benefit my child, but I’d sure let her try it if the school was offering it! Do the children spend 90-100 minutes per day on FF? How do thay divide the time? Do you have an opinion about whether it has been beneficial for your students? I just received the training kit a couple of days ago and haven’t started looking at it yet. I did order Earobics at school to use with my mild to moderate loss second graders who are reading below grade level. (I already have it at home and it has been good for my daughter, too).

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/20/2002 - 7:20 PM

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Do you know if Helen Keller ever learned to read Braille? I know she was able to acquire language kinesthetically, and I guess I always assumed that she learned to “read” Braille — which would mean she had acquired decoding skills, wouldn’t it? Based on what you posted, I’m figuring she must have had books read to her kinesthetically then.

How does that hand signal system work? Is it “whole word” or something else?

Mary

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/20/2002 - 7:49 PM

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Honestly it has been so long since I have read books on Helen Keller that I don’t recall if she learned to read Braille. She was totally dependent on Anne Sullivan, which might make me tend to think that she did not read Braille, but I’d have to check. That’s an interesting question. My understanding is that Anne used the manual alphabet and spelled words into Helen’s hand. Helen had to be very brilliant to achieve to the level she attained. Of course, she did have that first year and half or so with normal hearing and sight before she lost them, which helps.

Now, as for Braille…and I am now stepping into territory that is strictly guessing…I think that kinesthetic “reading” (Braille) would be more like visual sight reading, not like decoding.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/20/2002 - 8:17 PM

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I can answer that question. Yes, she did. First, Anne Sullivan taught Helen to read raised print (and to write using the square-hand alphabet), then she taught Helen to read and write in Braille. All this when Helen was 7 years old.

Yours truly,
Kathy

Janis C. wrote:
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> Honestly it has been so long since I have read books on Helen
> Keller that I don’t recall if she learned to read Braille.
> She was totally dependent on Anne Sullivan, which might make
> me tend to think that she did not read Braille, but I’d have
> to check. That’s an interesting question. My understanding is
> that Anne used the manual alphabet and spelled words into
> Helen’s hand. Helen had to be very brilliant to achieve to
> the level she attained. Of course, she did have that first
> year and half or so with normal hearing and sight before she
> lost them, which helps.
>
> Now, as for Braille…and I am now stepping into territory
> that is strictly guessing…I think that kinesthetic
> “reading” (Braille) would be more like visual sight reading,
> not like decoding.
>
> Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Sun, 01/20/2002 - 10:59 PM

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Mary,

Assuming we are talking about decoding in the same way (as in phonics, Phono-Graphix,etc.) we are talking about a sound-symbol relationship. Without the sound part, it is not “decoding” in the sense that we refer to decoding. I suppose it would be tactile decoding. When you type, for example, or when someone fingerspells, they MAY be sounding out those words in their minds. But a person who has never heard the sounds cannot decode in an auditory manner. So I still think that any other method of reading (Braille, fingerspelling) would correlate more to sight reading (memorization of the words) as opposed to decoding in the auditory sense. Do you see what I am saying?

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 2:23 AM

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For a blind person with normal hearing, Braille decoding is just like visual decoding for the sighted. I worked for a while as an assistant to a blind person who was definitely high-achieving — computer engineer at NASA, who decided he hadn’t achieved enough, so he went to law school.

He was rather frustrated that with modern technology, fewer Braille books are being produced; people assume that everyone can depend on scanners and computer text readers. Well, he can use that stuff, but he prefers Braille books for exactly the same reason that most of us prefer print books — he can read faster, can skim, and can flip back and forth to other sections, all of which are very difficult with the computerized readers. He would also be very nmuch happier if he could get his exams in Braille; readers provided by the testing center are not always knowledgeable.

Anyway, he has reached advanced university level reading and reads far more vocabulary that could possibly be memorized; he also makes notes in class using a Braille stylus and reads them later; he definitely decodes.

On a related topic, another issue that should be noted: for years the anti-phonics advocates claimed (falsely) that English is too irregular to be decodable and that the only way to read was to use “sight” words. Then people invented these computerized speech generators. Guess what? They decode phonetically. They are good enough now to take a very good guess at pronouncing unusual names, which of course could not have been programmed into memory. This is an absolute proof that phonics works and is in fact more efficient (computer programmers would not use decoding if memorization used less work).

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 2:46 AM

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Sure, that makes perfect sense, Victoria. It is just a different symbol in a sound-symbol relationship. I was only thinking of the deaf-blind (Helen Keller) not decoding braille in an auditory sense in case I did not make that clear.

Very interesting about the speech generating computers, too! I’ve never even thought about that!

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 4:08 AM

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It’s true that PG teaches sound/symbol relationships, so the auditory piece is mandatory.

However, I am thinking about decoding skills in a broader sense — the ability to figure out a printed word not encountered before.

It seems to me that when Helen Keller learned “fat” “cat” “sat”, she learned these words kinesthetically. She learned to associate the 3-letter finger-spelling of “cat” with a furry animal, in much the same way we learn to associate the three sounds of “cat” with the animal. Just as we can segment the sounds of “cat”, she would be able to segment the finger-spellings of “cat”. Just as we can blend the separate sounds together to make a word, she could blend the separate finger-spellings together to make a word. She may have been able to infer phoneme manipulation from context, or perhaps she didn’t need it (since the pronunciation of the word wouldn’t matter to her).

It would make a lot of sense to me to teach a profoundly deaf child to read the same way that Helen Keller learned — by using finger spelling as a kinesthetic substitute for sounds. The deaf person would not sub-vocalize in the same way that we do (with our throats) but rather with the hands.

Mary

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 4:23 AM

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Mary,

But that is exactly why we have such poor readers when even hearing children have not learned the blending and segmenting of phonemes. Just as hearing children who were taught by whole language or sight reading may have difficulty getting beyond upper elementary reading levels because of the difficulty with multi-syllable words, so does a deaf person. Fingerspelling has been used for a long time, but still, without the sound to go with the symbol, profoundly deaf people still cannot decode the words (as in blending sounds) because they can’t hear the sounds. All they can do is associate a kinesthetic symbol to a written symbol (letters). Both would require memorization. Decoding requires a sound and symbol relationship, whether it be written words, braille, or whatever paired with sounds of our language.

However, some people do use fingerspelling as a kinesthetic component in helping a hearing child learn to read or spell words.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 6:26 AM

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Helen Keller had an enormous advantage when she learned to read: finger spelling was her primary means of communication. Therefore, she had only to learn to match each finger symbol she knew to its written counterpart. She didn’t have to be taught to spell, because she already knew how to do so; she didn’t have to be taught English, because finger spelling had already done that job.

The disadvantage of sign language, for a deaf child, is that English, in effect, becomes a second language. It’s as if he’s a foreigner in his own home country. That can only make it much harder for him to learn to read fluently and efficiently. First, he has to learn a language not his own—English!

Yours truly,
Kathy G.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 5:31 PM

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Kathy:

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You really need to remember what a brilliant woman Hellen Keller was. Not all deaf-blind children would have been able to benefit from the fingerspelling as she did. Fingerspelling, in itself, is a very cumbersome communication method used alone.

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Realistically, not all hearing impaired children succeed in an aural-oral instructional environment. I agree with you philosophically, that a child should be taught in an aural/oral environment first before resorting to total communication (or only sign language). But if it proves to be unsuccessful, then it’s time to move on. A child’s education should not be impeded, because the adults in his life are involved in a philosophical war. And I hate to admit this, but it took me quite awhile before coming to this conclusion.

Many hearing impaired children are foreigners in their own families, not just in school or in their communities. The oral language necessary for communicating and reading doesn’t develop unless it is being provided in all environments. Whatever we provide to hearing children, both at home and at school, needs to be provided on a more intensive basis to our hearing impaired children from birth.. And we know that not all children (hearing and hearing impaired alike) are provided with experiential language opportunities (I can’t think of a better way to express this) in the home.

Marilyn

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 6:02 PM

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Exactly, Marilyn.

My little 4 year old student who is being evaluated for a CI is having some trial home-based auditory-verbal therapy, I think for the sole purpose of determining whether the family will be committed to the home therapy required for the child to be successful. They do not want give a CI to a child who will not have proper S/L development in all environments. It personally makes me sick to see wasted potential, but you’re right, it certainly does happen. (The sad thing is that these same parents usually do not achieve a high level of communication with signing either, so the child is further handicapped by the limited language he is exposed to at home.)

My only point at the very beginning of this topic was that the H.I. children who learn the English language auditorially and verbally generally attain a higher reading level because they are taught English as their first language and they have access to the sound-symbol relationships of our language.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 8:04 PM

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I wasn’t talking about the oral/aural method. In truth, I believe in the total communication approach. I was saying that if finger spelling could be a deaf child’s primary mode of communicating, learning to read wouldn’t be so difficult as it is with sign language.

Yours truly,
Kathy G.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 8:23 PM

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Janis:

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Depending upon the group, the amount of time has varied. Some groups have spent 100 minutes, and some have spent only 45 minutes a day on the program. The 100 minutes (last spring) and our current groups) is done in one sitting. For our summer program, and first semester of this school year, the students spent 45 minutes on the program.

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I honestly do not know, yet. I would feel more comfortable addressing this topic by EMail, because my answers are complex, and I don’t feel comfortable discussing opinions in a public forum.

Please feel free to contact me by mail.

Submitted by Anonymous on Mon, 01/21/2002 - 9:35 PM

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“I was saying that if finger spelling could be a deaf child’s primary mode of communicating, learning to read wouldn’t be so difficult as it is with sign language.”

Kathy,

That is not a bad thought, except it doesn’t work in reality. A child must be able to decode (read) before they can encode (spell) well. My profoundly deaf signing children would have been extremely limited in vocabulary and communication in general if they had had to use fingerspelling only, because their spelling was even lower than their reading levels.

My feeling about total communication is this…the kids end up better at signing than speaking generally, and they can communicate well with other deaf people comfortably, which is nice. The sad thing is, now that most kids are in their local public school, they may be one of a very few if not the only deaf child in the school. I think that is extremely socially isolating and my heart breaks for the children in that situation. I was at the high school the past two years with a profoundly deaf boy who used manual communication and he was the only one in the school and there were only two adults (one was me) that could sign with him. He read on second grade level in tenth grade (which was a little lower than average). He was educated through elementary school at the school for the deaf, so he was definitely in a sign-language rich environment in the early years. I’ve just seen this so many times that I believe parents need to be told the truth about different communication methods and the resulting educational implications.

Janis

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 01/22/2002 - 2:59 AM

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Janis
Listen to what you are saying. You HAVE to have a language base to learn another language…and the structure of the other language is ALWAYS different than the first language of the individual. If the deaf do not have a language base (ASL), then they will not learn English well. If I want to learn French, I better know my English, or I will struggle with learning French. If the deaf do not have ASL, they will struggle all their lives…as that is THEIR language. Every deaf adult I have encountered was THRILLED to finally learn ASL as an adult, and that’s how they communicate with one another. Rarely, if ever in English, or orally. They are imbittered bec. of the hearing world imposing their language on them and they abuse they suffered at the hands of hearing teachers when they tried to sign. A friend of mine that is a hearing child of deaf adults (CODA) says implants, oral language, etc. is setting the deaf up for failure as adults…which is what we have done for 120 yrs. now. They will never ‘fit in’ to THEIR community of the deaf when they become adults. The implanted ones are STILL deaf…they still need to learn ASL.
Jan

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 01/22/2002 - 3:00 AM

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Sorry for the double post. :(
Janis
Listen to what you are saying. You HAVE to have a language base to learn another language…and the structure of the other language is ALWAYS different than the first language of the individual. If the deaf do not have a language base (ASL), then they will not learn English well. If I want to learn French, I better know my English, or I will struggle with learning French. If the deaf do not have ASL, they will struggle all their lives…as that is THEIR language. Every deaf adult I have encountered was THRILLED to finally learn ASL as an adult, and that’s how they communicate with one another. Rarely, if ever in English, or orally. They are imbittered bec. of the hearing world imposing their language on them and they abuse they suffered at the hands of hearing teachers when they tried to sign. A friend of mine that is a hearing child of deaf adults (CODA) says implants, oral language, etc. is setting the deaf up for failure as adults…which is what we have done for 120 yrs. now. They will never ‘fit in’ to THEIR community of the deaf when they become adults. The implanted ones are STILL deaf…they still need to learn ASL.
Jan

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 01/22/2002 - 4:06 AM

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Jan,

I think I am quite clear on what I am saying, but maybe no one understands (except maybe Marilyn?). If a child becomes deaf at an early age or at birth and has a cochlear implant soon thereafter, the language base you are talking about will be English. That will be his first language. He won’t have to learn a second language. A child who becomes deaf at 18 months, for example, has an excellent language base on which to build (if physically able to have an implant).

I am very familiar with this controversy. Think about this for a minute. If a child needs glasses in order to see to read, write, have mobility, etc., do we want to deny him glasses that so he can fit in with the blind world and use Braille? I see NO difference!

Parents definitely have the right to choose their child’s communication method. But I firmly believe in helping children to OVERCOME their handicaps. Deafness is a severe handicap and very socially isolating. Anything that can help a child be fully mainstreamed into our English speaking and reading society, I am ALL for it. ASL is used by relatively few people in the world. If you can find statistics that the “average” deaf ASL highschool grad achieves higher than fifth grade reading level, I’d like to see it and be proven wrong. But I was just at a workshop a couple of months ago and again heard those statistics…they haven’t increased in years. However, in those same years, technology has provided a miracle for many young deaf children…both high powered hearing aids and cochlear implants.

I wish you great success…I sincerely hope your child beats the odds. For that matter, I certainly do not know his level of loss, ability level, etc., so I would have no idea of his likelihood of meeting or beating the average. But I know from experience trying to teach deaf children to read how hard it really is. Written language is even worse. But you don’t have to believe me. My opinions have evolved in around 20 years of teaching. I really admire your resolve to homeschool and know that will give him a lot of great one-on-one instruction.

Personally (just my opinion), I think access to language, reading, and writing are important to one’s quality of life. But my deaf student achieving at second grade reading level in tenth grade was actually a happy kid. That gave me comfort. But he will always be somewhat dependent on his family for those things he can’t access through reading and writing and spoken language and his job options will be quite limited as well.

Oh, and I know of oral deaf adults that have learned sign language and I think it’s great! Heather Whitestone, the former Miss America is a notable example. I understand that some deaf children are unable to have implants for various reasons, so I certainly wish more people could sign so that they would not be so socially isolated.

(I hope somewhere you saw the post about Pro-Ed to buy Reading Milestones, which was a response to the original question. Apple Tree Language is the well known program to teach written language, and I think they carry that as well.)

Janis
(caps for emphasis, not yelling of course)

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 01/22/2002 - 3:39 PM

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You say that if you want to learn French, you have to know English well to understand French.

Thank you!!

I grew up in and recently returned to a bilingual/multilingual city, Montreal. The first and most effective language immersion programs in elementary schools were developed here. Almost everyone, 99% of the population here, has at least coping skills in two languages and often three or more (as in my Chinese ESL students).

Yet all the experience and knowledge known by people living and working in multilingual communities keeps getting thrown out the window by theorists with new programs, and we keep seeing predictable disasters.

The best way to learn any language well (including learning English for sign language users) is to have a strong foundation of language skills in your first language, and to learn to transfer those skills. You do not get smarter in your second field by making yourself stupider in your first. In the case of deaf children, if they can not get enough auditory stimulus very very early (ie before one year old) the best way to keep language skills developing is to teach sign language early and intensively; then English is taught as a second language. Given the foundation language skill, it can be learned well. If you don’t teach the child any language at all, you set him up for delayed development.

Another point: learning a second language feeds back into a better understanding of the first. Students who study second languages have much better English grammar.

Submitted by Anonymous on Tue, 01/22/2002 - 4:05 PM

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Victoria,

I do not disagree with this obviously (re:learning a second language).:-) You certainly do not deny a deaf child language for several years while you think about communication methods!!! A child who is born hearing and has normal language development and then because of illness becomes deaf is usually an excellent candidate to receive an implant. This child will not only retain most of the language skills already learned, but go right on to build on those skills (speech and language) with intensive therapy. In the case of a child born deaf, yes, they need hearing aids immediately and an implant preferably as early as possible…I have heard they are doing implants on babies under a year now. It is true that after a certain age (I’ve been told 4), progress in learning speech and language is much slower and more difficult for a child born deaf. They must have the early stimulation obviously. But the services are available by law for deaf birth-to-three year olds. The technology improves year to year, so there is great potential for the future with this technology!

Janis

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